Haiti - probably don’t want to visit- BBQ interview goes bad for YouTube star

[philip964]

https://news.yahoo.com/catholic-officia ... 29436.html

9 Catholic priests and nuns kidnapped.

Maybe more than 5% of what the Clinton Foundation received from people in donations after the Haiti earthquake should have been spent on actual relief.

[philip964]

https://www.click2houston.com/news/worl ... sionaries/

Notorious gang leader threatens to kill 17 American missionaries that were kidnapped last week.

Maybe Hillary can secure their release since she did so much good for that country after the earlier earthquake.

Not hearing anything from Xiden. Maybe he will pay the ransom.

[longtooth]

Our Church supports actively a missionary there in Haiti. The word we get from her is that it is far worse than any news media here admits.
Violence, kidnapping is rampant. Food and water are terribly scarce. So far our missionary in unharmed. I wont say safe at all but unharmed.
Thank you Lord and we ask your divine protection over all you servants there and especially the children in Jesus Name AMEN

[philip964]

17 Kidnapped Missionaries escape at night on their own guided by the stars.

Well done.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59736726

[WildBill]

I have a friend who is from Haiti. His parents still live there.
He has told me about armed people randomly shooting people.
It is a really big mess. I don't have any idea if or how they can stop it.
The only thing I can do is pray for them.

[philip964]

https://news.yahoo.com/dozens-killed-ha ... 18565.html

Dozens killed in 2 weeks of violence.

Probably not a good place for the Clintons to have scammed all those donations.

[philip964]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... emies.html

Gangster paradise.

[philip964]

https://news.yahoo.com/haitis-deadly-vi ... 20878.html

Hmmmm.

Vigilantes have apparently killed 160 criminals in Haiti in the last few weeks and have brought gang violence to a standstill.

And I thought armed vigilantes ( militias ) were a bad thing.

[anygunanywhere]

https://news.yahoo.com/haitis-deadly-vi ... 20878.html

Hmmmm.

Vigilantes have apparently killed 160 criminals in Haiti in the last few weeks and have brought gang violence to a standstill.

And I thought armed vigilantes ( militias ) were a bad thing.

Depends on which side of freedom you stand.

[03Lightningrocks]

https://news.yahoo.com/haitis-deadly-vi ... 20878.html

Hmmmm.

Vigilantes have apparently killed 160 criminals in Haiti in the last few weeks and have brought gang violence to a standstill.

And I thought armed vigilantes ( militias ) were a bad thing.

Depends on which side of freedom you stand.

I believe it is a double edged sword. Typically the vigilante groups become a type of gang themselves and start deciding to punish people for what the vigilante group decides is crime. It could be something as simple as spreading butter on the wrong kind of bread. I have to admit though, with the recent dramatic increase in gang violence we are experiencing in America, and our corrupt leftist politicians refusal to do anything about it, I am beginning to change my mind and think maybe some vigilante justice might do our country some good.

[chasfm11]

I believe it is a double edged sword. Typically the vigilante groups become a type of gang themselves and start deciding to punish people for what the vigilante group decides is crime. It could be something as simple as spreading butter on the wrong kind of bread. I have to admit though, with the recent dramatic increase in gang violence we are experiencing in America, and our corrupt leftist politicians refusal to do anything about it, I am beginning to change my mind and think maybe some vigilante justice might do our country some good.

As Robspierre found out during the French Revolution - he who wields that sword of justice is just as easily struck by it. There might be some short term good from vigilante exercises but mobs of any kind, no matter how well-intentioned, cannot be controlled so I completely agree with your assessment that "crime" can quickly become a fluid term. I'm not aware of a case where a grass roots justice campaign was undertaken that resulted in a democratic, rule of law result. Once the rule book is thrown away, it is hard to write a new one. So working within the system is our best hope but I do admit that in the face of Soros funding, that is unimaginably difficult. We all know the purpose of the engineered crime spree - the public's demand for a new system. I don't want to play into that.

[bbhack]

I believe it is a double edged sword. Typically the vigilante groups become a type of gang themselves and start deciding to punish people for what the vigilante group decides is crime. It could be something as simple as spreading butter on the wrong kind of bread. I have to admit though, with the recent dramatic increase in gang violence we are experiencing in America, and our corrupt leftist politicians refusal to do anything about it, I am beginning to change my mind and think maybe some vigilante justice might do our country some good.

As Robspierre found out during the French Revolution - he who wields that sword of justice is just as easily struck by it. There might be some short term good from vigilante exercises but mobs of any kind, no matter how well-intentioned, cannot be controlled so I completely agree with your assessment that "crime" can quickly become a fluid term. I'm not aware of a case where a grass roots justice campaign was undertaken that resulted in a democratic, rule of law result. Once the rule book is thrown away, it is hard to write a new one. So working within the system is our best hope but I do admit that in the face of Soros funding, that is unimaginably difficult. We all know the purpose of the engineered crime spree - the public's demand for a new system. I don't want to play into that.

Vigilantes are extra-LE actors. When there is no LE, I don't think the actors are vigilantes in the original sense of the word.

[powerboatr]

we were supposed to pull in there for a port call back in 90 something, we had just left antigua you know making friends

our captain came on the speaker and told us he was not going to put our crew into such a crazy as a bat dangerous area to please some body in DC
so we went to PR to do "repairs" that suddenly came up

that place has always been a stable of nothing good or safe

[surprise_i'm_armed]

Consider the difference in 2 different countries where natural disasters have struck:

Haiti - Earthquake ruins everything, in a country that has always been a basket case. Years later, it's still a basket case. The people don't know which way is up, as far as governing themselves, and building back. I used to work with 2 Haitians who moved to the states. One told me that the German government had gifted the country with a brand new, fully equipped ambulance. The First Lady of Haiti commandeered it for her personal use, so that her driver could drive her around on shopping sprees and personal errands.

Japan - Tsunami causes horrible damage to large areas, as well as damaging the nuclear power site. Years later, the industrious, hardworking Japanese people have cleaned up the mess, and are getting back to normal. Personal property that people find goes to a central lost and found, where people can retrieve their items. They were presented with serious problems, and put their noses to the grindstone to better their situation.

SIA

[powerboatr]

Consider the difference in 2 different countries where natural disasters have struck:

Haiti - Earthquake ruins everything, in a country that has always been a basket case. Years later, it's still a basket case. The people don't know which way is up, as far as governing themselves, and building back. I used to work with 2 Haitians who moved to the states. One told me that the German government had gifted the country with a brand new, fully equipped ambulance. The First Lady of Haiti commandeered it for her personal use, so that her driver could drive her around on shopping sprees and personal errands.

Japan - Tsunami causes horrible damage to large areas, as well as damaging the nuclear power site. Years later, the industrious, hardworking Japanese people have cleaned up the mess, and are getting back to normal. Personal property that people find goes to a central lost and found, where people can retrieve their items. They were presented with serious problems, and put their noses to the grindstone to better their situation.

SIA

yep night and day