Forgotten Gun in the Oven goes off shoots Florida man

[Scott in Houston]

I was told about this story and hit google to look it up.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/ma ... -goes-off/

We know ammo in a fire going off isn't a real danger, but if that ammo is in a chamber of a gun, it sure is.

My question to the group is this, do you keep your guns at home chambered?

I always have... well, at least the ones in my home placed for home defense like my nightstand and office, etc.
This has me wondering if I shouldn't... in case of a house fire and potential danger to firefighters or others.

What do you think?

[srothstein]

Well, I would point out that one of my rules for home safety is to not put the gun in the oven.

But you do have a point about the hazards of a home fire and the possible danger there. I have never thought about it before. I would say this is a judgement call on where the greater hazard is, a fire or a home invasion? I know that both are extremely rare events for the average person, so I cannot rely on the statistics for it. I, personally, am more worried about the home invasion than the fire, so i would leave them loaded. But it really is, in my opinion, a personal judgement call.

[Tex1961]

Don’t move to Florida, problem solved

[03Lightningrocks]

Any gun at home or on my person is always, locked and loaded. I don't want the disadvantage of having to rack a round in the chamber before firing. The danger I think of if my home catches fire is that in one corner I have an ammo stash with 40K rounds of various calibers. I would probably tell the fire department to let the whole house burn down but keep all the water pouring on that corner to keep it cool. I also have multiple varieties of smokeless powder stashed in the same cabinet. Maybe 50 pounds worth. Then there are the thousands of primars. I am fairly certain the mushroom cloud would be seen from 25 miles away. LOL.

I tell you what I have thought of. If a burglar broke in, he would likely find at least one of the many loaded weapons stored around my home. I have considered the danger to a law enforcement officer responding to my alarm system running into an armed(with my weapon) intruder. It would take me a half hour to run around gathering them all every time I went to a quick store run and storing them in the safe. I dunno. What do you fellers do?

[Scott in Houston]

Well, I would point out that one of my rules for home safety is to not put the gun in the oven.

But you do have a point about the hazards of a home fire and the possible danger there. I have never thought about it before. I would say this is a judgement call on where the greater hazard is, a fire or a home invasion? I know that both are extremely rare events for the average person, so I cannot rely on the statistics for it. I, personally, am more worried about the home invasion than the fire, so i would leave them loaded. But it really is, in my opinion, a personal judgement call.

Those were my thoughts as well.
I live in a nice area, but I'd guess the odds of both a fire and home defense scenario are pretty close to even... as in close to zero percent, but still there's a "chance".
In the event of either one, I'd say:
* Fire - Gun going off and hitting someone is incredibly unlikely ... the odds are ridiculously low, but still...
* Home defense - somewhat likely odds that I'd forget to chamber my gun before using it since my whole life has been preparing mentally and physically as if the gun is chambered, so changing that today would almost certainly lead to me forgetting in a stressful situation

So like you, I'm going to keep them as they were, but also like you, I had never considered this before either!

Lastly, writing this has taken a while, and I like my Glock 17's prepared medium-rare, so I need to get them out of the oven before they're over-cooked!

[03Lightningrocks]

Any gun at home or on my person is always, locked and loaded. I don't want the disadvantage of having to rack a round in the chamber before firing. The danger I think of if my home catches fire is that in one corner I have an ammo stash with 40K rounds of various calibers. I would probably tell the fire department to let the whole house burn down but keep all the water pouring on that corner to keep it cool. I also have multiple varieties of smokeless powder stashed in the same cabinet. Maybe 50 pounds worth. Then there are the thousands of primars. I am fairly certain the mushroom cloud would be seen from 25 miles away. LOL.

I tell you what I have thought of. If a burglar broke in, he would likely find at least one of the many loaded weapons stored around my home. I have considered the danger to a law enforcement officer responding to my alarm system running into an armed(with my weapon) intruder. It would take me a half hour to run around gathering them all every time I went to a quick store run and storing them in the safe. I dunno. What do you fellers do?

[Scott in Houston]

I tell you what I have thought of. If a burglar broke in, he would likely find at least one of the many loaded weapons stored around my home. I have considered the danger to a law enforcement officer responding to my alarm system running into an armed(with my weapon) intruder. It would take me a half hour to run around gathering them all every time I went to a quick store run and storing them in the safe. I dunno. What do you fellers do?

All mine are in some sort of safe... like a small 'hand-safe' with buttons (no bio-metrics though, I prefer mechanical)

[03Lightningrocks]

Well, I would point out that one of my rules for home safety is to not put the gun in the oven.

But you do have a point about the hazards of a home fire and the possible danger there. I have never thought about it before. I would say this is a judgement call on where the greater hazard is, a fire or a home invasion? I know that both are extremely rare events for the average person, so I cannot rely on the statistics for it. I, personally, am more worried about the home invasion than the fire, so i would leave them loaded. But it really is, in my opinion, a personal judgement call.

Those were my thoughts as well.
I live in a nice area, but I'd guess the odds of both a fire and home defense scenario are pretty close to even... as in close to zero percent, but still there's a "chance".
In the event of either one, I'd say:
* Fire - Gun going off and hitting someone is incredibly unlikely ... the odds are ridiculously low, but still...
* Home defense - someone likely odds that I'd forget to chamber my gun before using it since my whole life has been preparing mentally and physically as if the gun is chambered, so changing that today would almost certainly lead to me forgetting in a stressful situation

So like you, I'm going to keep them as they were, but also like you, I had never considered this before either!

Lastly, writing this has taken a while, and I like my Glock 17's prepared medium-rare, so I need to get them out of the oven before they're over-cooked!

Well crud. I saw your post and thought mine didn't post so I double posted. Sorry folks

I did want to comment on your statement about living in a nice area. I live in a nice area too, 450 and up homes. Not gated but still fairly quiet. A couple years back, one street over, a guy was shot cold blooded in his garage while working on his car. They never caught the perp as far as I know. I worked in my garage on my hot rod Lightning at the time a lot. I immediately started keeping my firearm on me the whole time I worked in garage. To this day, I carry to take out the trash and go get my mail. I am outside, I am armed. Bad stuff happens in nice hoods too. I live on a short street with a circle at the end so we don't get much traffic other than fellow neighbors. I pretty much know which cars belong and which cars are new to the street.

[03Lightningrocks]

I tell you what I have thought of. If a burglar broke in, he would likely find at least one of the many loaded weapons stored around my home. I have considered the danger to a law enforcement officer responding to my alarm system running into an armed(with my weapon) intruder. It would take me a half hour to run around gathering them all every time I went to a quick store run and storing them in the safe. I dunno. What do you fellers do?

All mine are in some sort of safe... like a small 'hand-safe' with buttons (no bio-metrics though, I prefer mechanical)

I have considered that but live alone with no kids in the home. If my grand daughter is coming over, I take every gun in the house and put them in the safe with maybe the exception of one loaded firearm up high enough that she can't get to it. She is 7 so as she get's older and is able to move around and get to higher spots, I may reconsider. It is funny, both my son and daughter grew up while I was young. I stressed gun safety and took them both shooting. I could literally leave a gun laying on a table and they would not touch it. They were both so familiar with guns that the mystic of a hand gun meant nothing to them. They knew it was meant for destroying the person or animal it was aimed at and had a healthy fear/respect for them. My grand kids aren't being raised with this same familiarity. It worries me at times.

[Scott in Houston]

All mine are in some sort of safe... like a small 'hand-safe' with buttons (no bio-metrics though, I prefer mechanical)

I have considered that but live alone with no kids in the home. If my grand daughter is coming over, I take every gun in the house and put them in the safe with maybe the exception of one loaded firearm up high enough that she can't get to it. She is 7 so as she get's older and is able to move around and get to higher spots, I may reconsider. It is funny, both my son and daughter grew up while I was young. I stressed gun safety and took them both shooting. I could literally leave a gun laying on a table and they would not touch it. They were both so familiar with guns that the mystic of a hand gun meant nothing to them. They knew it was meant for destroying the person or animal it was aimed at and had a healthy fear/respect for them. My grand kids aren't being raised with this same familiarity. It worries me at times.

I hear ya. We are new empty-nesters, but prior to being so, even though I could trust my kids, I never knew who else was in the house with them, so treated it as if I couldn't trust anyone. Now that, it's pretty much just us grown-ups, I could change things, but there's really no reason to.

I did want to comment on your statement about living in a nice area. I live in a nice area too, 450 and up homes. Not gated but still fairly quiet. A couple years back, one street over, a guy was shot cold blooded in his garage while working on his car. They never caught the perp as far as I know. I worked in my garage on my hot rod Lightning at the time a lot. I immediately started keeping my firearm on me the whole time I worked in garage. To this day, I carry to take out the trash and go get my mail. I am outside, I am armed. Bad stuff happens in nice hoods too. I live on a short street with a circle at the end so we don't get much traffic other than fellow neighbors. I pretty much know which cars belong and which cars are new to the street.

Yep... bad things happen everywhere. It's always in every story where they interview a neighbor who says, "we never have anything like that happen around here..."
It's still extremely low odds like almost zero. But never hurts to be prepared.
That being said, I would bet some money that your neighbor's situation involves more to the story. Those kind of things seem to almost always have a back-story like drug deal or money owed to bad folks... random murder crimes between strangers in a nice area... that almost never happens statistically. That's why I was comparing it to the odds of a fire.

[03Lightningrocks]

Yep... bad things happen everywhere. It's always in every story where they interview a neighbor who says, "we never have anything like that happen around here..."
It's still extremely low odds like almost zero. But never hurts to be prepared.
That being said, I would bet some money that your neighbor's situation involves more to the story. Those kind of things seem to almost always have a back-story like drug deal or money owed to bad folks... random murder crimes between strangers in a nice area... that almost never happens statistically. That's why I was comparing it to the odds of a fire.

Agreed. Since 1996, when I moved here. Aside from the fellow being murdered in his garage, we had one incident of a car load of thugs breaking into several cars for stereo's. Other than that...nothing. Not bad odds at all.

Where in Houston do you live? My son and his wife just moved into a nice home in Sugar Land. Got in at a 3% interest rate. Just in time. They paid over 600K for a 3000 square foot house with a pool and maybe a quarter acre lot. Very nice area. Funny thing is, I bet 80% of his hood is Asian. Not to sound racist but Asians tend to be peaceful, clean people. It seems very quiet there.

[Scott in Houston]

Yep... bad things happen everywhere. It's always in every story where they interview a neighbor who says, "we never have anything like that happen around here..."
It's still extremely low odds like almost zero. But never hurts to be prepared.
That being said, I would bet some money that your neighbor's situation involves more to the story. Those kind of things seem to almost always have a back-story like drug deal or money owed to bad folks... random murder crimes between strangers in a nice area... that almost never happens statistically. That's why I was comparing it to the odds of a fire.

Agreed. Since 1996, when I moved here. Aside from the fellow being murdered in his garage, we had one incident of a car load of thugs breaking into several cars for stereo's. Other than that...nothing. Not bad odds at all.

Where in Houston do you live? My son and his wife just moved into a nice home in Sugar Land. Got in at a 3% interest rate. Just in time. They paid over 600K for a 3000 square foot house with a pool and maybe a quarter acre lot. Very nice area. Funny thing is, I bet 80% of his hood is Asian. Not to sound racist but Asians tend to be peaceful, clean people. It seems very quiet there.

I'm in Katy and really like it.
I grew up in Sugar Land and my parents are still there. SL is now majority Asian I believe they outnumber caucasians now.
SL and Katy are both very safe areas. We used to live in Memorial which was 'nice' but it's fully in the city and I wouldn't feel nearly as safe in general.

[03Lightningrocks]

Yep... bad things happen everywhere. It's always in every story where they interview a neighbor who says, "we never have anything like that happen around here..."
It's still extremely low odds like almost zero. But never hurts to be prepared.
That being said, I would bet some money that your neighbor's situation involves more to the story. Those kind of things seem to almost always have a back-story like drug deal or money owed to bad folks... random murder crimes between strangers in a nice area... that almost never happens statistically. That's why I was comparing it to the odds of a fire.

Agreed. Since 1996, when I moved here. Aside from the fellow being murdered in his garage, we had one incident of a car load of thugs breaking into several cars for stereo's. Other than that...nothing. Not bad odds at all.

Where in Houston do you live? My son and his wife just moved into a nice home in Sugar Land. Got in at a 3% interest rate. Just in time. They paid over 600K for a 3000 square foot house with a pool and maybe a quarter acre lot. Very nice area. Funny thing is, I bet 80% of his hood is Asian. Not to sound racist but Asians tend to be peaceful, clean people. It seems very quiet there.

I'm in Katy and really like it.
I grew up in Sugar Land and my parents are still there. SL is now majority Asian I believe they outnumber caucasians now.
SL and Katy are both very safe areas. We used to live in Memorial which was 'nice' but it's fully in the city and I wouldn't feel nearly as safe in general.

Funny about Katy. They made offers on a couple homes in Katy but at the time people were paying 15-20% more than asking price and making cash offers. Same thing happened in a couple they tried to buy in Sugar land. They paid 5% above asking and felt lucky. Crazy times. Something tells me those days are gone for awhile with 7+ interest rates and climbing.

[Scott in Houston]

Funny about Katy. They made offers on a couple homes in Katy but at the time people were paying 15-20% more than asking price and making cash offers. Same thing happened in a couple they tried to buy in Sugar land. They paid 5% above asking and felt lucky. Crazy times. Something tells me those days are gone for awhile with 7+ interest rates and climbing.

Yeah... we had homes selling for cash for almost double what we all paid when they were built 8-9 years ago. People were offering $100K over asking and not winning.
That is OVER now though. lol. Those crazy value were off-set with low interest. Now it's high interest and lower values.

[Excaliber]

I was told about this story and hit google to look it up.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/ma ... -goes-off/

We know ammo in a fire going off isn't a real danger, but if that ammo is in a chamber of a gun, it sure is.

My question to the group is this, do you keep your guns at home chambered?

I always have... well, at least the ones in my home placed for home defense like my nightstand and office, etc.
This has me wondering if I shouldn't... in case of a house fire and potential danger to firefighters or others.

What do you think?

When I lived in NY I would see reports like this from situations where NYPD officers would hide their guns in ovens to outwit the city's aggressive burglars. This is the first one I"ve seen with multiple rounds fired, though.