A Ukraine and Russia post

[Paladin]

If anybody missed Tucker's segment on Ukrainian biolabs, it is already over 1 million views on youtube:

[Ruark]

It's gotten to the point where I don't believe ANYTHING in the media. Yeah, we talk about sources like Pravda and RT being "just propaganda," but isn't ours just as bad or worse?

[parabelum]

If anybody missed Tucker's segment on Ukrainian biolabs, it is already over 1 million views on youtube:

I like Tucker, but as children are being shredded by Russian shrapnel, some of his talking points there are near Kremlinesque. You know…there’s time and place for everything…
Allow me to elaborate, where did this “bombshell story” and the narrative originally emanate from? Well of course it was from Russian media, fueled by Kremlin.
Now, does anyone believe for one second that this is a brand new earth shattering revelation that nobody, including Tucker himself, knew up until 48 hrs ago or so?
Rather odd timing, in my humble estimation, that just as Russian economy started to really tank, their invading forces began to get beaten more and more, and Putin was on the cusp of getting even more pressure and isolation, this “comes out” suddenly? Wow, what a coincidence.
That is what raises my eyebrows more than the story itself.
I am not accusing Tucker per se, I am just puzzled with the story, narrative and most important with the timing itself.

[Paladin]

If anybody missed Tucker's segment on Ukrainian biolabs, it is already over 1 million views on youtube:

I like Tucker, but as children are being shredded by Russian shrapnel, some of his talking points there are near Kremlinesque. You know…there’s time and place for everything…
Allow me to elaborate, where did this “bombshell story” and the narrative originally emanate from? Well of course it was from Russian media, fueled by Kremlin.
Now, does anyone believe for one second that this is a brand new earth shattering revelation that nobody, including Tucker himself, knew up until 48 hrs ago or so?
Rather odd timing, in my humble estimation, that just as Russian economy started to really tank, their invading forces began to get beaten more and more, and Putin was on the cusp of getting even more pressure and isolation, this “comes out” suddenly? Wow, what a coincidence.
That is what raises my eyebrows more than the story itself.
I am not accusing Tucker per se, I am just puzzled with the story, narrative and most important with the timing itself.

All is well explained in the video clip. It shows clearly that if the media tells you it's raining, you had better look out the window.

[philip964]

The reason it’s such a story is the White House bald faced lied about it. Obama started biolabs in Ukraine. Russia said we did. White House said we didn’t it’s Russia propaganda.

Then the reason Tucker picked it up two days ago was a State Department official under oath in Congress told the truth and said yes we had established biolabs in Ukraine.

Why in the world would we spend our money to give Ukraine a biolab.

But the biggest sin is to then lie about it.

Why should we believe anything they say now?

Remember we are the good guys.

[03Lightningrocks]

The reason it’s such a story is the White House bald faced lied about it. Obama started biolabs in Ukraine. Russia said we did. White House said we didn’t it’s Russia propaganda.

Then the reason Tucker picked it up two days ago was a State Department official under oath in Congress told the truth and said yes we had established biolabs in Ukraine.

Why in the world would we spend our money to give Ukraine a biolab.

But the biggest sin is to then lie about it.

Why should we believe anything they say now?

Remember we are the good guys.

I have to say, of all the media outlets/reporters out there, I trust Tucker more than most. I have watched him rake both parties over the coals for being dishonest. He sure has Lyndsay Graham's number. He has no problem bringing up that lying spineless RINO is full of it. On the story above, Tucker also brings up the fact that Rubio failed to ask more pertinent questions after the state department official dropped the bomb shell. Our politicians are all crooks. We are never going to clean the scum out of Washington. My whole reason for voting Trump was that I knew he would expose them all. And he did not disappoint me.

[Paladin]

One thing I think everyone can agree on... it was not only illegal, but an extremely reckless and foolish thing for the American government (Obama administration) to have funded the creation of biowarfare facilities in Ukraine. No good could possibly come from it.

[Paladin]

Good read: Dr. Robert Malone attempts to triangulate something approximating truth about Ukraine and Biolabs

[Ruark]

This whole thing is just looking stranger and stranger....

[The Annoyed Man]

This whole thing is just looking stranger and stranger....

I think that we can all agree that the administration's logic is flawed, and it has an agenda that is only peripherally related to its handling of foreign affairs with Russia……whether or not we tend to favor Russia or ukraine in the current conflict. Tucker is right. There IS something bizarre going on, and Jen Psaki only reinforces that belief.

But that doesn’t change the reality that Russia invaded Ukraine without provocation, and is shelling maternity hospitals and homes for the disabled…things for which there is zero justification. And Israeli PM Bennett, of all people, just advised Zelenskyy to surrender and accept Russia's terms……ISRAEL. I have always been a fervent defender of Israel, in no small part because I will always support a smaller nation's people's right to exist as a nation unto themselves. SHAME on Israel for abandoning this principle towards Ukraine.

[parabelum]

This whole thing is just looking stranger and stranger....

I think that we can all agree that the administration's logic is flawed, and it has an agenda that is only peripherally related to its handling of foreign affairs with Russia……whether or not we tend to favor Russia or ukraine in the current conflict. Tucker is right. There IS something bizarre going on, and Jen Psaki only reinforces that belief.

But that doesn’t change the reality that Russia invaded Ukraine without provocation, and is shelling maternity hospitals and homes for the disabled…things for which there is zero justification. And Israeli PM Bennett, of all people, just advised Zelenskyy to surrender and accept Russia's terms……ISRAEL. I have always been a fervent defender of Israel, in no small part because I will always support a smaller nation's people's right to exist as a nation unto themselves. SHAME on Israel for abandoning this principle towards Ukraine.

Good points as always. What really makes me fume is that I have seen first hand in Bosnia the outcomes of the inaction by the West to stop the evil. As Lord has blessed us with what we have, we in the Western World should always be the force of good that will fight against evil.
In Sarajevo I’ve watched my friends, family and neighbors shredded to pieces by Serbian artillery, day and night, for several years. I’ve seen genocide that I wish no person ever has to witness. Kids getting picked of by sniper fire, first shooting them in the limb area to cause pain, then as they crawl in agony and their parents or other people try to save them sniper would deliver head shot. Psychological atrocities.
We had pleaded with the West to help us, especially with no fly zones and had to wait quite some time, and had to suffer incredible casualties before the World woke up.
We would get shipments of food and since Cetnics controlled the airport, one half would go to them and the other half to us. Feeding our killers is what we thought off.
The hesitancy was in my opinion due to inept leadership by the West (yes, includes Bush Sr. as well), and the lies that we in Sarajevo were all Muslim jihadies, as an example. Never mind that in reality, many of us were Croats, and even Sarajevan Serbs (one of our leaders was a retired Serbian army general). So the ethic cleansing continued, concentration camps were allowed to operate etc. ALL because of the lack of desire and will to stop the evil from propagating.
So now I find myself as a naturalized US Citizen frustrated watching the same happen to Ukrainian people. Is Ukraine crooked Country? I don’t know. Probably, but how much more than we have become? Are there shady things going on there? Likely, but how much more than what is in our own backyard (and front yard!)?
The fundamental issues that I look at right now are:
1. Are Russian forces killing civilians at will?
2. Did Russian forces invade a sovereign Country?

To me, answer to both is YES. So, I’d like to see us in the West address those two things first, then the rest can be examined. But right now, killing has to stop!

[Ruark]

How do you know they're "shelling maternity hospitals"? Did you see it on the news?

Yes, a building that was once used as a maternity hospital was shelled. Regardless of who's doing what in this conflict, I find it a little hard to swallow that they would deliberately, willingly, knowlingly bomb a hospital full of women giving birth. Makes a juicy story, though - kinda like inflation being Putin's fault.

[parabelum]

How do you know they're "shelling maternity hospitals"? Did you see it on the news?

Yes, a building that was once used as a maternity hospital was shelled. Regardless of who's doing what in this conflict, I find it a little hard to swallow that they would deliberately, willingly, knowlingly bomb a hospital full of women giving birth. Makes a juicy story, though - kinda like inflation being Putin's fault.

Hard to believe right? I know man, when we were telling the world that people were cut into pieces and man had their testicles removed and …. fill in the gap, many had same expression. No way! Why would they do that?! Well friend, because evil exists whether you (not you directly but general “you”) want to accept it or not. I understand how it may seem surreal, especially if you’ve never been in the war zone, deep behind the lines. But yep, that is what happens in the war.

[srothstein]

I notice one interesting thing about that shelled hospital. I could be wrong, but I do not see any holes in the walls of it such as would result from a direct hit. The destruction I saw looks more like concussion from near misses, such as hitting a building nearby or counter-battery fire against an artillery unit in the field next to the hospital.

Some of the apartment buildings nearby appear to have hits from light artillery, but only a few. That strikes me as someone was shelling a target nearby. Artillery is not always a precision weapon. Much as I cannot always put bullets in the same hole at fifty feet using a bench rest, a cannon cannot put its shells in the same spot every time.

Since the media is only showing the aftermath (for justifiable reasons), I am forced to admit that the evidence shows a possibility that Russia was telling the truth about firing at a military target and the damage is simply collateral damage from that.

I support Ukraine in this war, but I am also honest enough to admit that it is possible they put military targets near a hospital. Not directly using it as human shield type cover, but in an urban war it is hard to not have things happen like that near schools and hospitals. We built our cities that way.

[eyedoc]