Ending gun violence through equity

[philip964]

https://www.intheknow.com/post/kathryn- ... -violence/

Systemic injustice that perpetrates gun violence.

[chasfm11]

But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.

Wow, that is catching on like wildfire in a country of over 300 million. Maybe she can convince Greta Thumberg to join and make it 41. She probably needs someone like that to be the angry face of the movement.....[sarcasm off.

[anygunanywhere]

After reading that article I feel less intelligent and wish I had those few minutes back.

[Rafe]

But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.

Wow, that is catching on like wildfire in a country of over 300 million. Maybe she can convince Greta Thumberg to join and make it 41. She probably needs someone like that to be the angry face of the movement.....[sarcasm off.

It's like, you know, major wildfire. Because they reached 40 members in just six years!

Six years ago, Not My Generation was just Fleisher and a single document. But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.

[Rafe]

After reading that article I feel less intelligent and wish I had those few minutes back.

If you think that was bad, then be sure not to read the massive 40+ member organization's playbook on "De-Policing Gun Violence Prevention": https://www.depolicegvp.com/policy-playbook.

We know that gun violence -- whether it be in the form of mass shootings, street violence, police violence, domestic violence, suicide, hate crimes, or any other type of violence -- is not an isolated policy issue, but a symptom of wider American systemic injustices and failures dating back to the founding of our nation. We believe that building a more whole, just, and compassionate United States can, should, and will take place without reliance on the police state and carceral state. Instead, we imagine an approach to justice, safety, liberation, and gun violence prevention that centers on the following pillars:

1. Community Empowerment
2. Creating Counter Structures
3. Healing from Pain
4. Social, Political, & Structural Accountability

[Paladin]

COL Colt already made 'em equal!

[Rafe]

And ya know, something else was nagging at me the whole time I visited the https://notmygenerationgvp.org/ website. It was the splash photo of youthful people hugging and smiling beside the big headline: GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC? NOT MY GENERATION.

So I fired up Excel and slapped a few numbers into it regarding estimated U.S. 2020 population demographics by age group, and then actual data from the 2019 FBI Unified Crime Report (UCR), the most recent currently available. An image of the spreadsheet is attached, but the numbers didn't surprise me...because, Ms. Felisher, it is your generation that's the problem.

Here's a quick summary; I excluded arrests of kids under 10 years old since, you know, I'll consider things like the 138 aggravated assaults by 8- or 9-year-olds to be statistical aberrations:

Ages 10 to 29

• Total Population: 86.54 million; 26.27%
• Murder & Non-negligent Manslaughter: 4,492; 58.25%
• Rape: 8,673; 51.12%
• Aggravated Assault: 121,284; 43.70%
• Weapons; Carrying, Possessing: 61,440; 55.79%

Ages 40 and Older

• Total Population: 158.71 million; 48.17%
• Murder & Non-negligent Manslaughter: 1,522; 19.74%
• Rape: 4,481; 26.41%
• Aggravated Assault: 78,342; 28.23%
• Weapons; Carrying, Possessing: 21,766; 19.76%

The 10 to 29 age group comprises a little over 25% of the population, while everybody 40 and over represents just under 50%. So how much more likely are you to be a victim of a violent crime at the hands of someone 10 to 29 than by the actions of someone 40 or over?

• Murder & Non-negligent Manslaughter: 66.11% more likely
• Rape: 48.34% more likely
• Aggravated Assault: 35.40% more likely
• Weapons; Carrying, Possessing: 64.58% more likely

And how about us gun-carrying Texans? Well, a study by the Crime Research Institute published less than two weeks ago (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3937627) stated, "Of the 26,304 total convictions in the Texas DPS 2020 report, only 114 — or 0.43 percent — were convictions of LTC holders, a conviction rate of 6.7 per 100,000. For Texas, permit revocations for firearms related violations amounted to 21 or 0.0012% of permit holders."

[eyedoc]

And ya know, something else was nagging at me the whole time I visited the https://notmygenerationgvp.org/ website. It was the splash photo of youthful people hugging and smiling beside the big headline: GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC? NOT MY GENERATION.

So I fired up Excel and slapped a few numbers into it regarding estimated U.S. 2020 population demographics by age group, and then actual data from the 2019 FBI Unified Crime Report (UCR), the most recent currently available. An image of the spreadsheet is attached, but the numbers didn't surprise me...because, Ms. Felisher, it is your generation that's the problem.

Here's a quick summary; I excluded arrests of kids under 10 years old since, you know, I'll consider things like the 138 aggravated assaults by 8- or 9-year-olds to be statistical aberrations:

Ages 10 to 29

• Total Population: 86.54 million; 26.27%
• Murder & Non-negligent Manslaughter: 4,492; 58.25%
• Rape: 8,673; 51.12%
• Aggravated Assault: 121,284; 43.70%
• Weapons; Carrying, Possessing: 61,440; 55.79%

Ages 40 and Older

• Total Population: 158.71 million; 48.17%
• Murder & Non-negligent Manslaughter: 1,522; 19.74%
• Rape: 4,481; 26.41%
• Aggravated Assault: 78,342; 28.23%
• Weapons; Carrying, Possessing: 21,766; 19.76%

The 10 to 29 age group comprises a little over 25% of the population, while everybody 40 and over represents just under 50%. So how much more likely are you to be a victim of a violent crime at the hands of someone 10 to 29 than by the actions of someone 40 or over?

• Murder & Non-negligent Manslaughter: 66.11% more likely
• Rape: 48.34% more likely
• Aggravated Assault: 35.40% more likely
• Weapons; Carrying, Possessing: 64.58% more likely

And how about us gun-carrying Texans? Well, a study by the Crime Research Institute published less than two weeks ago (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3937627) stated, "Of the 26,304 total convictions in the Texas DPS 2020 report, only 114 — or 0.43 percent — were convictions of LTC holders, a conviction rate of 6.7 per 100,000. For Texas, permit revocations for firearms related violations amounted to 21 or 0.0012% of permit holders."

That does not matter feelings, not facts is what is important. Those facts don't feel good, so they will be ignored.

[AndyC1911]

After reading that article I feel less intelligent and wish I had those few minutes back.

As soon as I saw "equity" I knew I wasn't going to read it.

[Rafe]

That does not matter feelings, not facts is what is important. Those facts don't feel good, so they will be ignored.

Yeah, but putting actual quantitative data together makes me feel better, so there's the "feelings" element.

[K.Mooneyham]

After reading that article I feel less intelligent and wish I had those few minutes back.

As soon as I saw "equity" I knew I wasn't going to read it.

Oh, I agree. In addition, anyone who actually BELIEVES that garbage is dumber than the proverbial box of rocks. (Advocating for it, and actually believing it, are NOT the same thing.)

[The Annoyed Man]

https://www.intheknow.com/post/kathryn- ... -violence/

Systemic injustice that perpetrates gun violence.

Quoting that article…

Six years ago, Not My Generation was just Fleisher and a single document. But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.

So…does that mean that it has 41 members?

[Rafe]

https://www.intheknow.com/post/kathryn- ... -violence/

Systemic injustice that perpetrates gun violence.

Quoting that article…

Six years ago, Not My Generation was just Fleisher and a single document. But now, the national organization has over 40 individuals across the country.

So…does that mean that it has 41 members?

At least 41! Woo hoo! And it only took six years to reach that milestone!

[srothstein]

While I do not agree with the article and could not make my way through the whole thing, I wanted to point out that she is one of the few who are not blaming guns and gun-owners for the violence. She is not proposing that the solution is banning guns or anything like that. I don't agree with the concept of remaking society overall, as that is just another way of saying socialism will solve all the ills of the world. But I want to point out that maybe her realization that good people with guns is not the problem can be expanded on to others.

She also has some criminological science to back her up. There are several variations of strain theory, but the basic concept is that people commit crimes as a result of strain they feel from other societal pressures. This is a widely accepted theory that many criminologists work on. My problem with it is the lack of explanation of why two people will react differently to the exact same pressures, one committing crime and the other not.

[eyedoc]

While I do not agree with the article and could not make my way through the whole thing, I wanted to point out that she is one of the few who are not blaming guns and gun-owners for the violence. She is not proposing that the solution is banning guns or anything like that. I don't agree with the concept of remaking society overall, as that is just another way of saying socialism will solve all the ills of the world. But I want to point out that maybe her realization that good people with guns is not the problem can be expanded on to others.

She also has some criminological science to back her up. There are several variations of strain theory, but the basic concept is that people commit crimes as a result of strain they feel from other societal pressures. This is a widely accepted theory that many criminologists work on. My problem with it is the lack of explanation of why two people will react differently to the exact same pressures, one committing crime and the other not.

"The organization doesn’t just aim to take guns off the street. They set out to provide health care, social security nets, and alternative options for people, attempting to lessen the social disparities that could lead to gun violence."

“I think when we talk about the future of gun violence, it’s really easy to say, ‘I want to see background checks,’ ‘I want to see assault weapons banned,’ ‘I want to see universal availability of extremist protection orders,’” says Fleisher. “All of those things are vital, and they’re necessary, and I want to see them too. But I think that we have to think bigger than that.”

She does want gun bans too.