Covert Dealership

[Liberty]

But when someone posts a no guns sign whether the sign is legally binding or not. They are saying to the CHler and the rest of the world they don't want us pistol packers in their store.

ONLY WHILE YOU ARE PACKING. Please stop trying to make it seem as though SINCE you have a CHL they don't want your business.

If they really wanted CHLers business they would not ask them to disarm. I can't believe that they could be naive enough to not understand how this could be offensive to many CHLers. That some CHLers would rather gpo somewhere else than disarm ourselves.

If they don't want anyone in their store while packing, its obvious that they don't want pistol packers in their store. Maybe they want CHLers that aren't pistol packers. What is the point of having a CHL if you don't pistol pack. One thing is certain Covert doesn't want us and our guns in their store. I just believe in giving my business to those who want it bad enough to let me and my gun in their store. After all it isn't much of a stretch to believe that those who would ban guns from their premises would also work to ban guns in general. Could it be that folks like these are likely Hillary supporters? This is why it is so important just where we spend our money.

I had to buy my cars from Sand Dollar who seems to be gun friendly. Most dealers won't require CHLers to strip themselves of their guns. I think they deserve our business more than the gun banners.. Don't you? I also don't believe in asking my car dealer to disarm himself after all fair is only fair.

and no, I don't hate the Coverts I just can't see supporting their business not when there are so many car dealers who don't have these ridiculous signs.
tear down this sign Mr Covert. Tear down this sign.

[txinvestigator]

But when someone posts a no guns sign whether the sign is legally binding or not. They are saying to the CHler and the rest of the world they don't want us pistol packers in their store.

ONLY WHILE YOU ARE PACKING. Please stop trying to make it seem as though SINCE you have a CHL they don't want your business.

If they really wanted CHLers business they would not ask them to disarm. I can't believe that they could be naive enough to not understand how this could be offensive to many CHLers. That some CHLers would rather gpo somewhere else than disarm ourselves.

If they don't want anyone in their store while packing, its obvious that they don't want pistol packers in their store. .

That is just a leap you insist on making, but it is absolutley without logic.

[carlson1]

But when someone posts a no guns sign whether the sign is legally binding or not. They are saying to the CHler and the rest of the world they don't want us pistol packers in their store.

ONLY WHILE YOU ARE PACKING. Please stop trying to make it seem as though SINCE you have a CHL they don't want your business.

If they really wanted CHLers business they would not ask them to disarm. I can't believe that they could be naive enough to not understand how this could be offensive to many CHLers. That some CHLers would rather gpo somewhere else than disarm ourselves.

If they don't want anyone in their store while packing, its obvious that they don't want pistol packers in their store. .

That is just a leap you insist on making, but it is absolutley without logic.

It sounds logical to me Someone needs to explain why you would think they wanted people with weapons since they DO HAVE THE SIGN! At my Church armed people are welcome we DO NOT have a sign that says no firearms in fact I would like to put up the opposite - a welcoming sign.

[dihappy]

I understand TX's argument, however i think he is arguing the grammatical meaning where as most are looking at this from a practical point of view.

It IS obvisous to me that any business who puts up a 30.06 sign does not want ANYONE, lawfully carrying or not, to enter their establishment.

There IS also the chance that their views side with the anti's.

If they ARE actually saying "Oh comon on in, but please leave your handguns in your car", well, that doesnt swing with me nor many others here.

If they want my business, they will respect my right to carry WHEN I WANT TO, even if that means in their business.

If they do not, then i will respect their right to deny me service and go elsewhere.

If Hilary owned a store, i wonder if she would want my business if she knew i was CHL holder, i wonder if she would want my business if i left my gun in my car :)

[drinks]

TX, you really do not understand what the people are trying to say, we really do not want to spend our money with people who do not support the US Constitution, you may wish to redefine your political position, and you may not, as you chose.

[lawrnk]

I am car hunting right now and and I stopped by the Covert Ford dealer in north Austin on 183 to test drive an Escape. Went in and noticed that they had a completely non-compliant "no guns" sign (it wasn't even close, but it did make reference to 30.05). Well, I didn't let it stop me from test driving but I am going to let it stop me from purchasing there. And I will let the internet sales manager (CJ - the person I spoke to) know why. I doubt it will make a difference, but at this point the big 3 in Detroit can't afford to lose ANY sales. Did you hear about GM's loss this morning?

That sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I think its silly.

You think it is silly that he chooses to not spend his money with people that do not believe in the 2nd amendment? not like he can not take his business to another dealership..

How do you know that those people, "do not believe in the 2nd amendment"? Assuming that is silly also. Bill of rights refers to the government, not private proprty owners.

Well, those who support the 2nd amendment should choose not to work for those who do not. I also would not have bought there, and would have told them so. When I had a employer who put me on a project supporting Uber evil Sheila Jackson Lee (democrat) I quit on the spot. I admire him for not giving money to any business who displays any form of a gun buster sign or 30.06

[lawrnk]

I am going with "Liberty" on this one. It may not mean anything to anyone else, but it means a lot to me. Even a Ghostbuster sign that does not effect CHL it still means they have a problem with gun rights in some form of fashion - I will drive to the next car lot

[Rex B]

That sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I think its silly.

I think people need to stand for something. Its good when we put our money where our mouth is.

Absolutely! And this is one of the best cases, because a single sale lost is a BIG deal to the business.

It's one thing to tell the manager at Taco Cabana that you will NOT be spending your $5 there this week. Quite another to take that $30K check down the street, along with the potential service business.

Lotsa clout here, make it count.

[Kalrog]

It's one thing to tell the manager at Taco Cabana that you will NOT be spending your $5 there this week. Quite another to take that $30K check down the street, along with the potential service business.

Lotsa clout here, make it count.

Sorry, but it was only $20k

[Rex B]

It's one thing to tell the manager at Taco Cabana that you will NOT be spending your $5 there this week. Quite another to take that $30K check down the street, along with the potential service business.

Lotsa clout here, make it count.

Sorry, but it was only $20k

Well, I was thinking of car purchases in general. I think $30K is closer to the current average price.

But if Escapes are selling for $20K, I may go shopping ;)

[Kalrog]

As low as about 18k if you want a base 4 banger. And even the base unit these days are pretty well stocked. *says someone who actually prefers manual transmissions*

[HankB]

A privately-owned business does have the right to ban CHL carry on their premesis - the law says so. Because it's private property, the 2nd Amendment does not come into play.

The posting of a valid PC30.06 sign - which, again, a business is within their rights to do - DOES indicate, at best, a lack of support for licensed concealed carry.

At worst, it may indicate active opposition to private firearms ownership.

In any case, by indicating a lack of support, or a lack of trust, the dealer that posts a valid 30.06 sign IS, in fact, saying they don't want my business.

I've been to Covert on 183 in Austin . . . the signs I've seen are not valid signs, and may actually have been posted to placate soccer mommies. FWIW, a couple of years ago I was at the parts counter, and a couple of guys who were on break about 20 feet back of the counter were taking target practice with either pellet or airsoft guns, so I'd say Covert's hoplophobia - if it exists at all - doesn't run very deep.

[Liberty]

I've been to Covert on 183 in Austin . . . the signs I've seen are not valid signs, and may actually have been posted to placate soccer mommies. FWIW, a couple of years ago I was at the parts counter, and a couple of guys who were on break about 20 feet back of the counter were taking target practice with either pellet or airsoft guns, so I'd say Covert's hoplophobia - if it exists at all - doesn't run very deep.

If Coverts decided to placate soccer Mom's they did so at the risk of offending CHLers. I know a few soccer Moms, but I never met one that looks for no gun signs. Typically they are pretty oblivious to the world around them. I've met a few CHLers and all of them look for the no gun signs. I find it hard to believe that many antis really look for those signs even though there are many that love to post those signs and show the world how they really believe. I wouldn't do business with anyone who had a "No Blonds Allowed" either, its not because I'm blond, just that I can find someone friendlier to do business with.
BTW: the 30.05 sign that was reported to be posted was legal at one time

[Kalrog]

BTW: the 30.05 sign that was reported to be posted was legal at one time

I don't believe the sign posted was ever legally enforceable. It did mention 30.05, but even with that it was a laughable sign.

[razoraggie]

Maybe not you personally - but the effect is the same. When someone enters that store, they need to disarm.

You should probably disarm BEFORE you enter the establishment.