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and there is a bar area what is the law on carry Note: I do not drink
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I am not aware of anything like that in the law. Either you can carry on the premises or you can't. Pretty sure that instructor didn't know what he was talking about.Tex1961 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:59 am It gets a little tricky with restaurants that have a dedicated bar inside... My understanding is that while you may sit in the restaurant area while carrying, you may not sit at the bar itself. Chili's restaurants is a good example of this.. Many of them have a dedicated bar inside where you cannot sit and drink while carrying...
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong... This very scenario was brought up in my instructor class and so was Chili's...
I don't think the law is absolutely, specifically clear on that, so it's somewhat of a gray area. Same situation as a movie/dinner theatre that has a bar with a 51% sign. As long as you're in the theatre watching a movie, you should be OK, but don't go to the bar, and absolutely don't drink any alcohol regardless of where you're sitting.Tex1961 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:59 am It gets a little tricky with restaurants that have a dedicated bar inside... My understanding is that while you may sit in the restaurant area while carrying, you may not sit at the bar itself. Chili's restaurants is a good example of this.. Many of them have a dedicated bar inside where you cannot sit and drink while carrying...
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong... This very scenario was brought up in my instructor class and so was Chili's...
I agree.. It seemed odd to me as well and it's possible that I just misunderstood him...LucasMcCain wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:23 amI am not aware of anything like that in the law. Either you can carry on the premises or you can't. Pretty sure that instructor didn't know what he was talking about.Tex1961 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:59 am It gets a little tricky with restaurants that have a dedicated bar inside... My understanding is that while you may sit in the restaurant area while carrying, you may not sit at the bar itself. Chili's restaurants is a good example of this.. Many of them have a dedicated bar inside where you cannot sit and drink while carrying...
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong... This very scenario was brought up in my instructor class and so was Chili's...
I just looked up half-a-dozen Chili's Bar and Grills in Seguin, New Braunfels, Austin, and San Marcos on the TABC website. None had a red 51% sign required.LucasMcCain wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:23 amI am not aware of anything like that in the law. Either you can carry on the premises or you can't. Pretty sure that instructor didn't know what he was talking about.Tex1961 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:59 am It gets a little tricky with restaurants that have a dedicated bar inside... My understanding is that while you may sit in the restaurant area while carrying, you may not sit at the bar itself. Chili's restaurants is a good example of this.. Many of them have a dedicated bar inside where you cannot sit and drink while carrying...
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong... This very scenario was brought up in my instructor class and so was Chili's...
Again, It is defiantly possible I misunderstood that part.. But @mloamiller's post was pretty good in that regard re. movie theater.... Which really I think is the crux here... Not always does a 51% necessarily mean the entire premise..ELB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:40 amI just looked up half-a-dozen Chili's Bar and Grills in Seguin, New Braunfels, Austin, and San Marcos on the TABC website. None had a red 51% sign required.LucasMcCain wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:23 amI am not aware of anything like that in the law. Either you can carry on the premises or you can't. Pretty sure that instructor didn't know what he was talking about.Tex1961 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:59 am It gets a little tricky with restaurants that have a dedicated bar inside... My understanding is that while you may sit in the restaurant area while carrying, you may not sit at the bar itself. Chili's restaurants is a good example of this.. Many of them have a dedicated bar inside where you cannot sit and drink while carrying...
Somebody please correct me if I am wrong... This very scenario was brought up in my instructor class and so was Chili's...
I used the example of the movie/dinner theatre because I've been in one where there weren't any signs on the front door, or where you purchase movie tickets. Once you get into the lobby area, you can see a bar on one side that has a 51% sign next to it.
It’s possible the bar is contracted as a separate business. HOWEVER, if they filed the license to cover the whole building as the ‘premise’, and they allow drinks to be carried into the theaters, then TABC will consider the whole place to be off limits.mloamiller wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:36 pmI used the example of the movie/dinner theatre because I've been in one where there weren't any signs on the front door, or where you purchase movie tickets. Once you get into the lobby area, you can see a bar on one side that has a 51% sign next to it.
Logically, it's hard to believe the entire location gets more than 51% of it's revenue for on-site alcohol consumption, but I also acknowledge that "logic" isn't always a requirement when it comes to laws.
And all of this is why I've been pushing for the removal of state prohibition of carry at "51% locations". It is already against the law to carry while intoxicated. The method in which a business generates the majority of it's revenue should not be a deciding factor in state prohibition. This is not to say the business would not be allowed to prohibit carry on their own by posting compliant signage, I just do not agree with the state prohibition.mloamiller wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:36 pmI used the example of the movie/dinner theatre because I've been in one where there weren't any signs on the front door, or where you purchase movie tickets. Once you get into the lobby area, you can see a bar on one side that has a 51% sign next to it.
Logically, it's hard to believe the entire location gets more than 51% of it's revenue for on-site alcohol consumption, but I also acknowledge that "logic" isn't always a requirement when it comes to laws.
I agree. the 51% rule is really not needed with the intoxication law already on the books. Why should I have to leave my EDC in my vehicle outside a bar when I go to shoot pool for league? I'm not drinking. This makes me either leave my pistol in a location that it's easier to be taken by someone who breaks into my truck, or I have to leave it at home and be unprotected for the majority of the day.Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:50 pmAnd all of this is why I've been pushing for the removal of state prohibition of carry at "51% locations". It is already against the law to carry while intoxicated. The method in which a business generates the majority of it's revenue should not be a deciding factor in state prohibition. This is not to say the business would not be allowed to prohibit carry on their own by posting compliant signage, I just do not agree with the state prohibition.mloamiller wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:36 pmI used the example of the movie/dinner theatre because I've been in one where there weren't any signs on the front door, or where you purchase movie tickets. Once you get into the lobby area, you can see a bar on one side that has a 51% sign next to it.
Logically, it's hard to believe the entire location gets more than 51% of it's revenue for on-site alcohol consumption, but I also acknowledge that "logic" isn't always a requirement when it comes to laws.
Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:50 pmAnd all of this is why I've been pushing for the removal of state prohibition of carry at "51% locations". It is already against the law to carry while intoxicated. The method in which a business generates the majority of it's revenue should not be a deciding factor in state prohibition. This is not to say the business would not be allowed to prohibit carry on their own by posting compliant signage, I just do not agree with the state prohibition.mloamiller wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:36 pmI used the example of the movie/dinner theatre because I've been in one where there weren't any signs on the front door, or where you purchase movie tickets. Once you get into the lobby area, you can see a bar on one side that has a 51% sign next to it.
Logically, it's hard to believe the entire location gets more than 51% of it's revenue for on-site alcohol consumption, but I also acknowledge that "logic" isn't always a requirement when it comes to laws.