On the subject of rioters.

[Tex1961]

Is that an existing law or just musings from Mr. Ayoob? Granted I agree and think that rioters should be treated like any crime.. Just like if your robbing someone and your buddy kills them then your considered just as guilty of murder....

[oljames3]

Here in my little town, I don't expect to encounter a mass protest. However, I frequently go to Austin, Round Rock, and Bastrop. There are risks involved.

From the tactical side, Greg Ellifritz writes about Surviving the Mob. https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/ ... ng-the-mob

Violent protests, mob action, and rioting scenarios fill up your news feed. Lots of folks are contacting me about mob violence issues. Let’s look at some of the issues involved…

This afternoon, at 1pm Central, attorney Andrew Branca will be doing a Facebook LIVE video about the legalities. https://www.facebook.com/LawofSelfDefense/
Branca also discusses the elements, up to five, of a solid self defense claim. https://lawofselfdefense.com/beginjourney/

The legal services plan of which I am a member has posted a video on their YouTube channel, "The Law of Deadly Force and Justification During Civil Unrest." Expect advertisements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBAZUyovHOc

[striker55]

Saw a video of NYC, it was like watching a scene from the movie "The Purge". Total chaos, anarchy in the streets. Disgusting!

[Paladin]

Good to know.

[Rafe]

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[philip964]

Seems if an angry crowd surrounds your car or your house and shouts threats, damages your car or throws things at you or your house and you do something or if you don't do anything, you are in legal jeopardy.

It appears you are in a no win situation.

[PUCKER]

So, if I read / understand correctly - it's like the Texas Law of Parties? Meaning, that TAM, Andy and I go to the local Andy's...if Andy drops the custard cone...well, then we are ALL guilty of dropping the custard cone?! Even if TAM is in the getaway vehicle (we don't want our spouses knowing that we've been at Andy's...but Andy dripped some custard on his shirt...so we now have evidence of the crime) Or something like that...

[parabelum]

Is that an existing law or just musings from Mr. Ayoob?

It's a legal doctrine used to show disparity of force (which is part of Jeopardy) when faced with a mob (let's call it 3 or more people, for the sake of the argument) so that someone in the group can't claim '* Well, I* wasn't doing nothing!' - apparently little-known but it does exist.

I believe that’s correct, I heard that Branca (spelling?) attorney that oljames links too say something to that effect too. With two or more it becomes a mob, so an act of one is considered as an act of another one too.
I think his example was if two people are holding you while third one is stabbing you, then the other two are just as guilty of murdering you. Just because they didn’t actually stab you doesn’t matter.

[parabelum]

Yes. If I see 2 or more coming towards me and I see that one of them has a knife, I am not going to spend too much time deliberating within whether the other one is armed or not.

[crazy2medic]

My mother taught me not to hang out with people that can get you in trouble!
So don't hang out with people that can get you SHOT!

[03Lightningrocks]

My mother taught me not to hang out with people that can get you in trouble!
So don't hang out with people that can get you SHOT!

This is great advice but not always easy to follow. I bet some of us can remember being young when somebody in our little band of merry men decided to do something stupid. Now 45 years ago the thought of that something stupid rising to the level of getting me shot never crossed my mind. I would be willing to bet there are times when a group of youths are all doing just fine when that one off person in the group suddenly does something stupid that the others are not planning for or even in favor of. Meanwhile, there you are with a bullet hole in your chest and the idiot you were hanging with caused it by doing something stupid you never expected them to do.