Grapevine Mills Mall Lady

[NcongruNt]

If you're aware that the mall is posted, it doesn't matter what door you go through. You are still in violation if you knowingly enter a posted mall while carrying.

What if you are just going to that dept store? Does the 30.06 at the mall entrances just apply to the common areas, or does it cover all the stores that are NOT posted?

Being that the entire mall is managed by the same entity that posted the signs, I'd stay away. I'm not aware of any case law or clarifying statute on this yet. If it exists, I'm sure someone here knows about it. The communal environment of a mall makes the situation a bit more hazy.

My experience with mall workers suggest that they are not gun-friendly, and if you were somehow found out, there is the possibility of at least taking a ride. In that situation, you may quite possibly be charged with trespass once mall management finds out about it, and then you're going to need a lawyer. I recently went in to get fitted for a suit at Men's Warehouse (in a non-posted mall) and advised the lady working with me that I had a CHL and was carrying and wanted to be fitted with considerations for my carry gun. She hemmed and hawed (no pun intended ) about it and went into the back for several minutes and returned. I then noticed the mall security folks camped outside the store in their SUV (there was an outside entrance) for the remainder of my time there. She wouldn't fit me for the gun, and I had to get measurements taken, then return to the changing room each time to test for fit. I ended up unable to use my normal carry gun with the suit, as there was too much printing for my comfort and have to resort to my BUG when I wear it.

If it were a strip mall, I'd say it would be a different story because there is no free access between the stores, although a manager could arguably post for the entire strip mall. Posting seems to be usually done by individual stores in those instances, though a parking lot could have signs, effectively making the entire place off limits.

[Turfspanker]

I have a close friend that manages security for one of the high-end Dept. stores at a local mall. In this case, the retailer is sovereign from the overall Mall. The store can enforce trespass violations within its boundries independent of the Mall and the opposite is also true. Mall security does not have rights within the individual Dept. store. They try to work together on individual cases, but for the most part the individual Dept store operates independently.

[DoubleJ]

There are too options that this place just isn't worth visiting, to me.

[Photoman]

I recently went in to get fitted for a suit at Men's Warehouse (in a non-posted mall) and advised the lady working with me that I had a CHL and was carrying and wanted to be fitted with considerations for my carry gun. She hemmed and hawed (no pun intended ) about it and went into the back for several minutes and returned. I then noticed the mall security folks camped outside the store in their SUV (there was an outside entrance) for the remainder of my time there. She wouldn't fit me for the gun....

Please...spend your hard earned money somewhere else next time. There are many taylors mature enough to work with you regarding firearms.

[Mithras61]

I recently went in to get fitted for a suit at Men's Warehouse (in a non-posted mall) and advised the lady working with me that I had a CHL and was carrying and wanted to be fitted with considerations for my carry gun. She hemmed and hawed (no pun intended ) about it and went into the back for several minutes and returned. I then noticed the mall security folks camped outside the store in their SUV (there was an outside entrance) for the remainder of my time there. She wouldn't fit me for the gun....

Please...spend your hard earned money somewhere else next time. There are many taylors mature enough to work with you regarding firearms.

Personally, I would send a letter of complaint. The Men's Wearhouse near me is used by many undercover & business types, and fits without batting an eye. If the tailor isn't professional enough to handle a concealed firearm, they shouldn't be working there. Besides, what ever happened to "You'll like the way you look. I guarantee it." as claimed by George Zimmer

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[Kyle(Houston)]

If you're aware that the mall is posted, it doesn't matter what door you go through. You are still in violation if you knowingly enter a posted mall while carrying.

Well I am aware now from reading this thread but lets assume I did not and went to Foleys to buy a shirt. I pause and check the doors for any 30.06 signs and see none. So I proceed inside and buy my shirt. What have I done wrong at that point? If that was my first visit to that mall I do not see how they could prove I had knowledge of other posted doors.

Now of course I would not want to press the issue since I have read this thread but lets assume it is a new CHL carrier that went to Foleys and checked for the signs, did not see any posted, and proceeded inside.

[NcongruNt]

I recently went in to get fitted for a suit at Men's Warehouse (in a non-posted mall) and advised the lady working with me that I had a CHL and was carrying and wanted to be fitted with considerations for my carry gun. She hemmed and hawed (no pun intended ) about it and went into the back for several minutes and returned. I then noticed the mall security folks camped outside the store in their SUV (there was an outside entrance) for the remainder of my time there. She wouldn't fit me for the gun....

Please...spend your hard earned money somewhere else next time. There are many taylors mature enough to work with you regarding firearms.

I was on a budget and in somewhat of a time crunch. It wasn't my first choice of places to go, but was the only place I knew of that had a decent Big&Tall selection as I have broad shoulders and a large neck. Given more advanced notice, I would have gladly gone somewhere else.

Personally, I would send a letter of complaint. The Men's Wearhouse near me is used by many undercover & business types, and fits without batting an eye. If the tailor isn't professional enough to handle a concealed firearm, they shouldn't be working there. Besides, what ever happened to "You'll like the way you look. I guarantee it." as claimed by George Zimmer

Men's Wearhouse
5803 Glenmont Drive
Houston, TX 77081

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Well, considering how freaked out she was initially, I'd say she handled the situation relatively well. I can't completely fault her for not wanting to fit with the gun... It is a small store, and there was no way to do the fitting discreetly and completely away from other customers. Their fitting area is almost smack-dab in the middle of the store and is without privacy walls. I agree that the people who work there should be properly prepared to work with clients who carry handguns, and would imagine that this should be addressed at a training level. Concealed handguns had obviously not been addressed at all in this particular employee's training, as she was beside herself at what to do initially, and could only mutter "I don't think we allow that in here". The mall and store are definitely not posted in any way. I'll see if I can come up with a suggestion about this to send to their corporate offices.

[Mithras61]

Personally, I would send a letter of complaint. The Men's Wearhouse near me is used by many undercover & business types, and fits without batting an eye. If the tailor isn't professional enough to handle a concealed firearm, they shouldn't be working there. Besides, what ever happened to "You'll like the way you look. I guarantee it." as claimed by George Zimmer

Men's Wearhouse
5803 Glenmont Drive
Houston, TX 77081

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Well, considering how freaked out she was initially, I'd say she handled the situation relatively well. I can't completely fault her for not wanting to fit with the gun... It is a small store, and there was no way to do the fitting discreetly and completely away from other customers. Their fitting area is almost smack-dab in the middle of the store and is without privacy walls. I agree that the people work there should be properly prepared to work with clients who carry handguns, and would imagine that this should be addressed at a training level. Concealed handguns had obviously not been addressed at all in this particular employee's training, as she was beside herself at what to do initially, and could only mutter "I don't think we allow that in here". The mall and store are definitely not posted in any way. I'll see if I can come up with a suggestion about this to send to their corporate offices.

Well, at least part of the suggestion needs to involve the unsatisfactory fit, I would imagine, and the tailor's attitude was very unhelpful as well. The store sounds much like the one I visit out in Shenandoah, where if you quietly mention to the tailor that you need a "discrete fitting" and why, there is an area in the back of the store where they can fit you properly and ensure that the firearm is concealed without compromising your status. I suppose I might be able to understand her attitude if we were in Great Britain, or Australia where carry is almost unheard of, but while concealed carry is somewhat rare here, it is not unheard of, and she should be professional enough about it to be able to help you without feeling the need to call security "just in case." After all, it wasn't as if you said "I have a gun & you better fit me right, or else..." You informed her discretely of your CHL status & asked for accomodation in fitting your purchase to accomodate it. If she couldn't do that, perhaps she should have asked for another tailor to help you.