I’ll see if I can find the video that I saw yesterday.... of cartel members in a smaller sedan with several rifles and an AT4 anti tank weapon. ANTI TANK ROCKET LAUNCHER...
While I hate that program and see it was a mistake, I must point out that it is not the source of a significant number of weapons to the cartels. I urge people to stop repeating this claim. Think about this: If fast and furious was a significant source of firearms, then it means the claims made to justify the program are true and illegal sales in the US are a significant source also. This argues that there really is a problem with our gun sales in the US and it justifies other restrictions to help stop guns from going to criminals.
1. I do think that all of the illegal sales end up in Mexico. It would be naive to say that there aren’t illegal sales all the time, and it would also be naive to say that they don’t end up in the hands of cartels among other organized crime.srothstein wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:53 pmWhile I hate that program and see it was a mistake, I must point out that it is not the source of a significant number of weapons to the cartels. I urge people to stop repeating this claim. Think about this: If fast and furious was a significant source of firearms, then it means the claims made to justify the program are true and illegal sales in the US are a significant source also. This argues that there really is a problem with our gun sales in the US and it justifies other restrictions to help stop guns from going to criminals.
There are illegal arms dealers around the world that sell guns by the truck or train car load. Considering how may of the firearms seen in use by the cartels are fully automatic and never were registered in our NFA registry, I have a hard time believing that any sales in the US are a significant contribution to the arming of the criminals in Mexico. And I don't care how many times the media claims that the flow of guns south is a big part of the problem, until I see better evidence of it, I will not agree it is true.
I agree that it is all speculation and that there is a problem with some guns from here ending up there. My disagreement was on the size of the contribution to the problem made by illegal sales like fast and furious was trying to stop. I believe that most of the sale of that type are used by criminals and gangsters right here in the US. My logic says this is simply not profitable for the cartels as a way of getting arms, compared to the international arms dealers who sell large quantities at one time.jb2012 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:06 pmIf you can’t buy any of these guns in Mexico, and we are the closest country where many of these weapons ARE for sale to the general public, it’s only reasonable to believe that a number of them had to come from here; especially american made weapons. Once again, I don’t believe it is a huge problem, but I think that you have to agree that it is a problem. Is it a problem cured by any sort of gun control laws? Absolutely not.
Eta: In the end it’s all a matter of speculation, and there is really no way to know the truth.
crazy2medic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:05 pmThis is what happens when you disarm the general populace!philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:46 am https://news.yahoo.com/nineteen-bodies- ... 16233.html
19 murdered in Mexico. Some hung from bridge, some dismembered, included 4 women.
and it will just keep getting worse!
No doubt about it but also you probably remember this story https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
Then the coup de grace: as the Chapo sons’ forces engaged in direct combat with their own national military, kill squads went into action across Culiacán, slaughtering the families of soldiers engaged in the streets.
Cowed and overmatched—most crucially in the moral arena—the hapless band of soldiers still holding the second son finally received word from Mexico City, direct from President AMLO himself: surrender. Surrender and release the prisoner.
It’s an absolutely extraordinary episode even by the grim and bizarre annals of what we mistakenly call the post-2006 Mexican Drug War. The Battle of Culiacán stands on a level above, say, the Ayotzinapa massacre, or the Zetas’ expulsion of the entire population of Ciudad Mier. Killing scores of innocents and brutalizing small towns is one thing: seizing regional capital cities and crushing the national armed forces in open fighting in broad daylight is something else.
https://geo-mexico.com/?p=277TxRVer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:29 amOnly two, and the southern border is shorter.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:10 amBut then they would still have the full auto weapons coming in from Guatemala, Belize, Honduras and Cuba. That would be a lot of walls.
Good luck with that wall thing....According to the CIA World Factbook, Mexico has 9,330 kilometers of coastline.
According to Mexico’s National Statistics Institute (INEGI), it has 11,122 kilometers of coastline, and that figure apparently excludes the coastlines of Mexico’s various islands.
Excellent article. Takeaway from it...RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:13 am If it wasn't already clear that Mexico is a failed state and that its government is not in control, this incident is the last proof anyone should need.
On Mexican State Collapse: a Guest Post by El Anti-Pozolero
Then the coup de grace: as the Chapo sons’ forces engaged in direct combat with their own national military, kill squads went into action across Culiacán, slaughtering the families of soldiers engaged in the streets.
Cowed and overmatched—most crucially in the moral arena—the hapless band of soldiers still holding the second son finally received word from Mexico City, direct from President AMLO himself: surrender. Surrender and release the prisoner.
It’s an absolutely extraordinary episode even by the grim and bizarre annals of what we mistakenly call the post-2006 Mexican Drug War. The Battle of Culiacán stands on a level above, say, the Ayotzinapa massacre, or the Zetas’ expulsion of the entire population of Ciudad Mier. Killing scores of innocents and brutalizing small towns is one thing: seizing regional capital cities and crushing the national armed forces in open fighting in broad daylight is something else.
From Culiacán, Sinaloa, to Nogales, Arizona, is one day’s drive.
True. The big cartel bosses are all-powerful. They have warehouses full of money - hundreds of millions - fleets of 747s, yachts, submarines, Lear jets, heavy weapons, anything they want, any time they want it. Human life means utterly nothing to them. Like their recent bus robberies, for example. They'll stop a bus, take the driver's ticket money, then kill him, then kill the 38 passengers on board just for good measure.The drug cartels have more money than God. They can buy anything they want from the same underworld arms suppliers that supply many gorilla groups. Those fellows are using full auto weapons along with frag grenades. There is no real need for supplies from America.