jason812 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:25 am
Passing laws based on emotions do not work. The common sense texting while driving law didn't stop people from texting and driving just like common sense gun control will not stop another mass shooting.
They have not.
I will repeat what many others have said,
'We are a nation of laws that needs NO MORE LAWS. We need better enforcement and stricter penalties.'
I earned my commercial license over 40 yrs ago. Things have changed over the yrs on the road. When first
enacted in Cali, that no cell thing exempted commercial drivers for a time (not sure of the time frame) and
I believe it's now illegal. I have thankfully been in Texas for a few years. I think that 1st responders are
actually exempt from that. I'll check for a statute.
One cannot compare laws forbidding talking on a cell phone with gun laws. There is no constitutional right to talk on the cell phone. There is a constitutional right to keep and bare arms.
Ok.
Wasn't aware I was. Can you elaborate or am I missing something ?
jason812 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:25 am
Passing laws based on emotions do not work. The common sense texting while driving law didn't stop people from texting and driving just like common sense gun control will not stop another mass shooting.
They have not.
I will repeat what many others have said,
'We are a nation of laws that needs NO MORE LAWS. We need better enforcement and stricter penalties.'
I earned my commercial license over 40 yrs ago. Things have changed over the yrs on the road. When first
enacted in Cali, that no cell thing exempted commercial drivers for a time (not sure of the time frame) and
I believe it's now illegal. I have thankfully been in Texas for a few years. I think that 1st responders are
actually exempt from that. I'll check for a statute.
One cannot compare laws forbidding talking on a cell phone with gun laws. There is no constitutional right to talk on the cell phone. There is a constitutional right to keep and bare arms.
Ok.
Wasn't aware I was. Can you elaborate or am I missing something ?
Relax. Nobody said you did. Look at the post you had responded to.
03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:34 pm
When it gets a person it will be during an accident after the cops see you were texting at the same time as the wreck.
I've heard it's that, but also insurance companies could start using it as a reason to deny coverage.
jason812 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:25 am
Passing laws based on emotions do not work. The common sense texting while driving law didn't stop people from texting and driving just like common sense gun control will not stop another mass shooting.
They have not.
I will repeat what many others have said,
'We are a nation of laws that needs NO MORE LAWS. We need better enforcement and stricter penalties.'
I earned my commercial license over 40 yrs ago. Things have changed over the yrs on the road. When first
enacted in Cali, that no cell thing exempted commercial drivers for a time (not sure of the time frame) and
I believe it's now illegal. I have thankfully been in Texas for a few years. I think that 1st responders are
actually exempt from that. I'll check for a statute.
One cannot compare laws forbidding talking on a cell phone with gun laws. There is no constitutional right to talk on the cell phone. There is a constitutional right to keep and bare arms.
Ok.
Wasn't aware I was. Can you elaborate or am I missing something ?
Relax. Nobody said you did. Look at the post you had responded to.
I am actually very relaxed but, back to the post. Are you referring to the 'common sense' part ?
pushpullpete wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:18 pm
As in 'Common Sense' gun laws.
The discussion is about cell phones. It does not belong in the same discussion as gun laws. That is what is known as drawing an analogy. How about speeding laws? People ignore those as well. People do rolling stops all the time. But neither of those are constitutionally protected rights.
jason812 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:25 am
Passing laws based on emotions do not work. The common sense texting while driving law didn't stop people from texting and driving just like common sense gun control will not stop another mass shooting.
They have not.
I will repeat what many others have said,
'We are a nation of laws that needs NO MORE LAWS. We need better enforcement and stricter penalties.'
I earned my commercial license over 40 yrs ago. Things have changed over the yrs on the road. When first
enacted in Cali, that no cell thing exempted commercial drivers for a time (not sure of the time frame) and
I believe it's now illegal. I have thankfully been in Texas for a few years. I think that 1st responders are
actually exempt from that. I'll check for a statute.
One cannot compare laws forbidding talking on a cell phone with gun laws. There is no constitutional right to talk on the cell phone. There is a constitutional right to keep and bare arms.
Ok. If you actually read the posts, the OP jason812, referenced common sense texting laws AND common sense gunlaws.
I did not. They are two different things that have a connecting point but, not one I brought up.
I am still relaxed. A little annoyed but, still relaxed.
It’s only anecdotal, but none of the LEOs I’ve spoken with about the law have even written a single ticket for it. There are so many loopholes, it’s almost unenforceable.
KC5AV wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:07 pm
It’s only anecdotal, but none of the LEOs I’ve spoken with about the law have even written a single ticket for it. There are so many loopholes, it’s almost unenforceable.
I received a ticket for talking on the phone . 6:00 AM, no traffic, small town NM (needed the stop and revenue?). After doing some chit chat about guns after I had presented my CHL, I received a 200.00 dollar ticket.
jason812 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:25 am
Passing laws based on emotions do not work. The common sense texting while driving law didn't stop people from texting and driving just like common sense gun control will not stop another mass shooting.
They have not.
I will repeat what many others have said,
'We are a nation of laws that needs NO MORE LAWS. We need better enforcement and stricter penalties.'
I earned my commercial license over 40 yrs ago. Things have changed over the yrs on the road. When first
enacted in Cali, that no cell thing exempted commercial drivers for a time (not sure of the time frame) and
I believe it's now illegal. I have thankfully been in Texas for a few years. I think that 1st responders are
actually exempt from that. I'll check for a statute.
Evening everyone, I have checked as best as I know how on the cali legislature website and even asked a few
friends (they remember it but not when it was), I can't find what I was looking for. I'm not really computer
savvy so I'm probably searching using incorrect language. I will keep trying.
KC5AV wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:07 pm
It’s only anecdotal, but none of the LEOs I’ve spoken with about the law have even written a single ticket for it. There are so many loopholes, it’s almost unenforceable.
I suspect that this problem (being almost unenforceable) covers other distracted driving issues. As others have said, I give my full attention to driving while I'm doing it and one of the things that I try to do is be aware of possible distractions to the drivers around me. I take immediate evasive actions if I don't like what I see and I credit my not being involved in a couple of accidents which I got a chance to witness to my actions. After doing this for a while, I can spot distracted drivers quickly and I work to stay away from them. It isn't always cell phones as I've seen book readers, people with clip boards over the steering wheel and, for me the worse, someone driving and having an animated, hand waving conversation with someone else in the car. I doubt that a police officer could make a distracted driving charge stick with one of the hand waving talkers but I think they are a more serious threat than some of the texters.
I would like to see some stats on accidents. I would also like to see the results of citations published. I would personally use the information to try to influence people that I know to drive safe. We can all be PSAs in the right circumstances.
