Just because he didn't do anything wrong doesn't mean he was doing things right. Its kinda like the old saying "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."DynamicDan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:15 amUh, McNutt didn't do anything wrong.G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:29 pmBut the point is that Bonnen wasn't at home, if McNutt wanted to contact him then McNutt would have been in Austin. This wasn't an effort to contact Bonnen, at best it was a publicity stunt gone wrong and in politics publicity stunts backfire more often than not.apostate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:35 pmMaybe I'm old fashioned, but if politicians don't want voters to contact them at home, they shouldn't contact voters at home.G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:01 pm Maybe I'm old fashioned, but if you have a problem with how someone is doing business you visit them where they conduct business unless you know them personally.
Matthew 7:5
DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Moderators: carlson1, Charles L. Cotton
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 3
- Posts: 2983
- Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:39 pm
- Location: Western Texas
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
How do you explain a dog named Sauer without first telling the story of a Puppy named Sig?
R.I.P. Sig, 08/21/2019 - 11/18/2019
R.I.P. Sig, 08/21/2019 - 11/18/2019
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Precisely what is "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse"? Passing out flyers to contact the speaker and other key politicians to support a gun rights issue or him walking up to DPS and handing them a flyer to put on his door along with the hundreds of others he was passing out while never stepping foot on his property? Which one of those two known actions is so horrible to you? Have you ever said it was "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse" when the same politicians come to our houses with political material? If not why do you think politicians have special privileges to engage in what you call "personal and outside of acceptable political discourse"?MaduroBU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:53 pm It's wrong when crowds of idiots surround Cruz or McConnell at dinner and it's wrong when one idiot shows up at a Bonnen's door. Those activities are personal and outside of acceptable political discourse and should be mocked and punished as necessary.
Bonnen's lies are immaterial to McNutt's foolishness.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 4
- Posts: 7875
- Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:16 am
- Location: Richmond, Texas
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Bonnen is a jerk little boy tyrant. His wife is the same except a little girl. Political lying tyrants, but then I repeat myself.
McNutt was framed by the press and every other tyrant regardless of political affiliation.
I'm certain the antis just love reading the infighting here and take extreme joy at how easy it is to get us at each other's throats while they hold a united front to drive their agenda.
McNutt was framed by the press and every other tyrant regardless of political affiliation.
I'm certain the antis just love reading the infighting here and take extreme joy at how easy it is to get us at each other's throats while they hold a united front to drive their agenda.
"When democracy turns to tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote." Mike Vanderboegh
"The Smallest Minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." – Ayn Rand
"The Smallest Minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." – Ayn Rand
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
I reacted badly to bad information when this story first broke.apostate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:35 pmMaybe I'm old fashioned, but if politicians don't want voters to contact them at home, they shouldn't contact voters at home.G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:01 pm Maybe I'm old fashioned, but if you have a problem with how someone is doing business you visit them where they conduct business unless you know them personally.
Matthew 7:5
Basically none of what Bonnen and his wife claimed in reaction to the visit was true other than the fact the activist did come to their neighborhood and their home but apparently never even set foot on their property.
There's something wrong when a citizen governed and directly affected by Bonnen's decision is deemed to be making some sort of terrorist threat by putting out fliers in the neighborhood and at his home but when politicians come knocking on our doors begging for our votes and support it's just "grass roots activism" and something to be lauded.
I don't want to see nutts threatenting and intimidating our elected officials at home or mobs showing up at their homes to protest, threaten or intimidate them but that isn't what happened here.
The way Bonnen and his wife defamed him and falsely made wild accusations with no basis in fact and used it as an excuse for his already having decided to kill constitutional carry for this term is as low as an elected official can go.
I hope he pays a huge price but doubt the republican caucus has the guts to even censure him over it.
NRA Life Member NRA Certified Instructor RSO, CRSO,
USCCA Certified Instructor
TX LTC licensed Instructor Personal/Family Protection and Self Defense Instructor.
Without The First and Second Amendments the rest are meaningless.
USCCA Certified Instructor
TX LTC licensed Instructor Personal/Family Protection and Self Defense Instructor.
Without The First and Second Amendments the rest are meaningless.
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Au Contraire, now that the truth is out it has absolutely been to his and our benefit.carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:19 amMay have not been wrong, but it sure wasn’t smart.DynamicDan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:15 amUh, McNutt didn't do anything wrong.G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:29 pmBut the point is that Bonnen wasn't at home, if McNutt wanted to contact him then McNutt would have been in Austin. This wasn't an effort to contact Bonnen, at best it was a publicity stunt gone wrong and in politics publicity stunts backfire more often than not.apostate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:35 pmMaybe I'm old fashioned, but if politicians don't want voters to contact them at home, they shouldn't contact voters at home.G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:01 pm Maybe I'm old fashioned, but if you have a problem with how someone is doing business you visit them where they conduct business unless you know them personally.
Matthew 7:5
NRA Life Member NRA Certified Instructor RSO, CRSO,
USCCA Certified Instructor
TX LTC licensed Instructor Personal/Family Protection and Self Defense Instructor.
Without The First and Second Amendments the rest are meaningless.
USCCA Certified Instructor
TX LTC licensed Instructor Personal/Family Protection and Self Defense Instructor.
Without The First and Second Amendments the rest are meaningless.
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
State elected officials all maintain "contact me" options online. Mcnutt may not like that, but that's the accepted pathway. Showing up at a stranger's door from across the state is not "handing out fliers, and we would all condemn that behavior if anti gun nutters did it to pro gun Congressmen.baytownb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:06 amPrecisely what is "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse"? Passing out flyers to contact the speaker and other key politicians to support a gun rights issue or him walking up to DPS and handing them a flyer to put on his door along with the hundreds of others he was passing out while never stepping foot on his property? Which one of those two known actions is so horrible to you? Have you ever said it was "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse" when the same politicians come to our houses with political material? If not why do you think politicians have special privileges to engage in what you call "personal and outside of acceptable political discourse"?MaduroBU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:53 pm It's wrong when crowds of idiots surround Cruz or McConnell at dinner and it's wrong when one idiot shows up at a Bonnen's door. Those activities are personal and outside of acceptable political discourse and should be mocked and punished as necessary.
Bonnen's lies are immaterial to McNutt's foolishness.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 4
- Posts: 867
- Joined: Fri May 24, 2013 9:55 am
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Let me tell you about the "contact me" options that you have. Sending an e-mail is ignored. My wife has written several messages to committee members about a bill that we are particularly interested in AND our rep. No response. Nothing. Not even an automated "thank you for writing us". That doesn't mean that our feedback isn't being heard, but there is no indication that it has been heard or even received.MaduroBU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:06 amState elected officials all maintain "contact me" options online. Mcnutt may not like that, but that's the accepted pathway. Showing up at a stranger's door from across the state is not "handing out fliers, and we would all condemn that behavior if anti gun nutters did it to pro gun Congressmen.baytownb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:06 amPrecisely what is "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse"? Passing out flyers to contact the speaker and other key politicians to support a gun rights issue or him walking up to DPS and handing them a flyer to put on his door along with the hundreds of others he was passing out while never stepping foot on his property? Which one of those two known actions is so horrible to you? Have you ever said it was "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse" when the same politicians come to our houses with political material? If not why do you think politicians have special privileges to engage in what you call "personal and outside of acceptable political discourse"?MaduroBU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:53 pm It's wrong when crowds of idiots surround Cruz or McConnell at dinner and it's wrong when one idiot shows up at a Bonnen's door. Those activities are personal and outside of acceptable political discourse and should be mocked and punished as necessary.
Bonnen's lies are immaterial to McNutt's foolishness.
Call the office and you may get a person, but again, no guarantee that the info will actually get to the rep.
Snail mail? Unanswered.
The way our representatives and senators respond to us (or don't) sure makes it feel that our voice isn't being heard. I see nothing wrong in canvassing a neighborhood to try to get a message across to our representatives, particularly if previous communication has fallen into a black hole known as the State Capitol.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 5
- Posts: 3486
- Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:04 pm
- Location: Central Texas
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Ahh... but so do the voters, it's called mail, email, text and voice mail- yet every cycle, I get a dozen or so "paid activists" show up at my door, looking to alter my vote to their guy. Should I call the news and police and be afraid for my life?MaduroBU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:06 am State elected officials all maintain "contact me" options online. Mcnutt may not like that, but that's the accepted pathway. Showing up at a stranger's door from across the state is not "handing out fliers, and we would all condemn that behavior if anti gun nutters did it to pro gun Congressmen.
If it's accepted for the politicians, why not the voters?
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
You have a vote and money. Tell a politician that you're a member of his or her party and that you're going to start voting and or donating to the other side as a result of a specific action.
I gave Cruz money vs. BETO and now his people contact me so often that I worry that his wife ought to know about it. DPS troopers escorting you off some guy's sidewalk has a zero percent chance of changing his mind to your cause and makes you look like a militant stalker. Further, when that behavior is publicized it paints your entire cause with that brush AND gives liars like Bonnen essentially free reign to throw your cause under the bus. Bonnen is now blameless before all of the gun owners who are only peripherally following his actions; McNutt's stupidity absolved Bonnen before most of his voters, even if Bonnen did turn his back on us and lied about McNutt's exact actions.
I gave Cruz money vs. BETO and now his people contact me so often that I worry that his wife ought to know about it. DPS troopers escorting you off some guy's sidewalk has a zero percent chance of changing his mind to your cause and makes you look like a militant stalker. Further, when that behavior is publicized it paints your entire cause with that brush AND gives liars like Bonnen essentially free reign to throw your cause under the bus. Bonnen is now blameless before all of the gun owners who are only peripherally following his actions; McNutt's stupidity absolved Bonnen before most of his voters, even if Bonnen did turn his back on us and lied about McNutt's exact actions.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 3
- Posts: 1101
- Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:45 pm
- Location: Alvin
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Please enlighten me on what is considered acceptable political discourse.
The guy was passing out flyers in a neighborhood. He didn't even set foot on Bonnen's property. I admit that had the troopers not volunteered to place the flyer, he probably would have left one on his door. OK...........aaaaaaaannnnnddddd???
Flyers are left on my vehicle all the time, I have never felt threatened because of it. They aren't left on my door because I have gates on my driveway, flyers have been left on my gate. I either read them or throw them away. No harm, no foul.
The other side is encouraged BY LAWMAKERS to harass members of POTUS' administration "wherever you see them", yet passing out flyers is too extreme for "our" side??? This attitude is the way to lose in the court of public opinion.
"All bleeding eventually stops.......quit whining!"
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 4
- Posts: 867
- Joined: Fri May 24, 2013 9:55 am
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Did you even watch the video or did you just buy into the lies told by the MSM? I would hope that people who are passionate about an issue would take the time to be informed rather than just taking what was said at face value. Get the facts (in this case, watch the raw video), perform your own analysis and come to a rational decision on where the truth lies.MaduroBU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:30 am You have a vote and money. Tell a politician that you're a member of his or her party and that you're going to start voting and or donating to the other side as a result of a specific action.
I gave Cruz money vs. BETO and now his people contact me so often that I worry that his wife ought to know about it. DPS troopers escorting you off some guy's sidewalk has a zero percent chance of changing his mind to your cause and makes you look like a militant stalker. Further, when that behavior is publicized it paints your entire cause with that brush AND gives liars like Bonnen essentially free reign to throw your cause under the bus. Bonnen is now blameless before all of the gun owners who are only peripherally following his actions; McNutt's stupidity absolved Bonnen before most of his voters, even if Bonnen did turn his back on us and lied about McNutt's exact actions.
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
It depends who you are. If you're a decent hardworking person, you're supposed to keep your mouth shut and donate money to the GOPe candidates while they chip away at your constitutional rights.
If you're Bonnen and his antifa homeboys, it's acceptable to call the NRA a fringe group of extremists or even terrorists. It's acceptable to riot and throw temper tantrums if you don't get your way. It's acceptable for Pancho to threaten the life of another legislator who reported illegal aliens. Sorry, not just acceptable, he was rewarded with a committee chair for his death threats. It's the Bonnen way.
-
Topic author - Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 8
- Posts: 275
- Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:07 pm
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
The only person out of line is Speaker Bonnen and his wife. He was never going to let this bill get out of committee, because he thinks that the 16 states that have it don't know what they are doing. He is completely out of touch with reality on this issue.
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
Antifa attacking Cruz and McConnell during the Kavanaugh hearings was obscene. Taking a firm stand against that sort of ludicrous behavior is important, and to me, that stand includes condemnation of folks who show up at the homes of government officials.canvasbck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:16 amPlease enlighten me on what is considered acceptable political discourse.
The guy was passing out flyers in a neighborhood. He didn't even set foot on Bonnen's property. I admit that had the troopers not volunteered to place the flyer, he probably would have left one on his door. OK...........aaaaaaaannnnnddddd???
Flyers are left on my vehicle all the time, I have never felt threatened because of it. They aren't left on my door because I have gates on my driveway, flyers have been left on my gate. I either read them or throw them away. No harm, no foul.
The other side is encouraged BY LAWMAKERS to harass members of POTUS' administration "wherever you see them", yet passing out flyers is too extreme for "our" side??? This attitude is the way to lose in the court of public opinion.
-
- Senior Member
- Posts in topic: 5
- Posts: 3486
- Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:04 pm
- Location: Central Texas
Re: DPS Body Cam Footage Confirms Dennis Bonnen Lies
There is a big difference in showing up to deliver a flier and showing up to intimidate, disrespect, yell at, etc.MaduroBU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:04 pm Antifa attacking Cruz and McConnell during the Kavanaugh hearings was obscene. Taking a firm stand against that sort of ludicrous behavior is important,
I agree with you 100% on that part!
and to me, that stand includes condemnation of folks who show up at the homes of government officials.