Verizon theater Grand Prairie

[angelicdoctor]

FWIW

Yesterday, August 21, 2015, I attended the Weird Al concert at the Verizon Theater with my son and some friends. There were no wands. The signs were present as noted here. Despite this, I successfully carried my EDC and enjoyed the evening. No issues.

[chasfm11]

I'm up for a photo party at the Verizon Theater on September 1st. While we only need one photograph and one filing with the AG, I retired and Tuesday is as good of a day for a drive as any. Are the signs visible from the outside?

[Abraham]

Keith B

You posted: "HOWEVER, if they are wanding people and you are found carrying, they may prohibit you from entering. You can fight it later, but you won't probably see the show while carrying."

Once unenforceable 30.06 signs posted by the city are removed - can the powers that be still wand you and tell you, you can't carry in?

Or, do you expect that to be stopped also?

Or, if they wand you and you're found to be carrying, but can produce a CHL, will you then be allowed in with your EDC?

Thanks!

[angelicdoctor]

I'm up for a photo party at the Verizon Theater on September 1st. While we only need one photograph and one filing with the AG, I retired and Tuesday is as good of a day for a drive as any. Are the signs visible from the outside?

The signs are visible from the outside but on the outside most windows.

[TrueFlog]

According to Texas3006.com, the theater is now posted 51% and is legally off-limits for carrying. I guess there's a bar inside that has a red-sign license from the TABC, and that makes the entire building off-limits...?

[NotRPB]

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83404
Another example of

city owned venue

with a TABC prohibition

Where a 30.06 sign wouldn't be valid if a city owned venue, but the 51% sign keeps licensees Handguns out...(not concealed rifles)

According to Texas3006.com, the theater is now posted 51% and is legally off-limits for carrying. I guess there's a bar inside that has a red-sign license from the TABC, and that makes the entire building off-limits...?

Verizon Theater at Grand Prairie
Address: 1001 Performance Pl, Grand Prairie, TX 75050
---------------
check TABC license at that address
TABC site says yes >> ... 51% Red sign
http://www.tabc.texas.gov/PublicInquiry/Status.aspx
License #: MB571317
Trade Name: GRAND PRAIRIE CATERING
Owner: WOLFGANG PUCK CATERING & EVENTS OF TEXAS
Location Address:
1001 PERFORMANCE PLACE GRAND PRAIRIE , TX 75050-7965
Mailing Address:
ATTN: DEWEY BRACKIN
600 CONGRESS AVE STE 3000
AUSTIN , TX 787012978
County: Dallas Orig. Issue Date: 1/20/2005
Status: Current Exp. Date: 1/19/2017
Wine Percent:
Location Phone No.: 972-354-5127
Subordinates: CB,LB,PE
Related To: Gun Sign: RED

[wheelgun1958]

I suppose drunk and disorderly is preferred to armed and accommodating.

[mr1337]

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83404
Another example of

city owned venue

with a TABC prohibition

Where a 30.06 sign wouldn't be valid if a city owned venue, but the 51% sign keeps licensees Handguns out...(not concealed rifles)

51% sign keeps all weapons out, not specific to handguns.

[NotRPB]

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83404
Another example of

city owned venue

with a TABC prohibition

Where a 30.06 sign wouldn't be valid if a city owned venue, but the 51% sign keeps licensees Handguns out...(not concealed rifles)

51% sign keeps all weapons out, not specific to handguns.

I'll agree to disagree until anyone can cite the section of the penal code that says that.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER references 51% signs for licensees carrying handguns.

(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed or carried in a shoulder or belt holster, on or about the license holder's person:

(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;

I don't see concealed rifles (and several "weapons" big rock, sharp stick, broken bottle, scissors, sharpened credit card to use as an edged weapon, or other non-prohibited weapon for which no license is required )in
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club

Though I do not go to bars or places serving alcohol for on premises consumption that aren't restaurants...I do not drink alcohol.

Not seeing bars ( or rather 51% locations) in >>Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.46.htm

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):

I'm not saying it's a good idea, (I avoid any such 51% place more than 30.06 places) just that I have found no law prohibiting it. I find no law against a big rock, sharp stick, broken bottle, scissors, sharpened credit card to use as an edged weapon, or other non-prohibited weapon for which no license is required in such a place.

I could be wrong ... butI see no law against a concealed rifle(or big rock, sharp stick, broken bottle, scissors, sharpened credit card to use as an edged weapon, or other non-prohibited weapon for which no license is required) in a bar posted 51% (though I wouldn't go inside a bar) or inside a a hospital or nursing home posted 30.06 30.07 ... I'll admit overlooking it if anyone will show me in the penal code where I didn't see it....I could be wrong.

[mr1337]

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83404
Another example of

city owned venue

with a TABC prohibition

Where a 30.06 sign wouldn't be valid if a city owned venue, but the 51% sign keeps licensees Handguns out...(not concealed rifles)

51% sign keeps all weapons out, not specific to handguns.

I'll agree to disagree until anyone can cite the section of the penal code that says that.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER references 51% signs for licensees carrying handguns.

(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed or carried in a shoulder or belt holster, on or about the license holder's person:

(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;

I don't see concealed rifles (and several "weapons" big rock, sharp stick, broken bottle, scissors, sharpened credit card to use as an edged weapon, or other non-prohibited weapon for which no license is required )in
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club

Though I do not go to bars or places serving alcohol for on premises consumption that aren't restaurants...I do not drink alcohol.

Not seeing bars ( or rather 51% locations) in >>Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.46.htm

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):

I'm not saying it's a good idea, (I avoid any such 51% place more than 30.06 places) just that I have found no law prohibiting it. I find no law against a big rock, sharp stick, broken bottle, scissors, sharpened credit card to use as an edged weapon, or other non-prohibited weapon for which no license is required in such a place.

I could be wrong ... butI see no law against a concealed rifle(or big rock, sharp stick, broken bottle, scissors, sharpened credit card to use as an edged weapon, or other non-prohibited weapon for which no license is required) in a bar posted 51% (though I wouldn't go inside a bar) or inside a a hospital or nursing home posted 30.06 30.07 ... I'll admit overlooking it if anyone will show me in the penal code where I didn't see it....I could be wrong.

I stand corrected and concede my point. I've always just gone by what the sign said. Thanks for educating me on what the penal code actually says.

[OldCurlyWolf]

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83404
Another example of

city owned venue

with a TABC prohibition

Where a 30.06 sign wouldn't be valid if a city owned venue, but the 51% sign keeps licensees Handguns out...(not concealed rifles)

51% sign keeps all weapons out, not specific to handguns.

Actually it IS specific to handguns. Rifles and shotguns are not a chargeable offense to a customer but ARE a problem for the license holder.

[casp625]

Wait, so why do most 51% signs say "the licensed or unlicensed possession of a weapon..."?

[JP171]

Wait, so why do most 51% signs say "the licensed or unlicensed possession of a weapon..."?

same reason that the dallas ZOO is an amusement park and the ft worth and Houston zoo's are educational institutions, because people are interpreting the law as they see fit not as what it actually says.

[NotRPB]

Signs: just because a sign exists, and is required by a law to be posted...doesn't NECESSARILY mean it is true or legally binding in itself upon licensees.

see http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... 1&start=45




http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... GV.411.htm
Texas Government Code: Sec. 411.204. NOTICE REQUIRED ON CERTAIN PREMISES.

Sec. 411.204. NOTICE REQUIRED ON CERTAIN PREMISES.
(a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the business premises a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).

(b) A hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the hospital or nursing home, as appropriate, a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c) other than the requirement that the sign include on its face the number "51".

(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises. The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height and must include on its face the number "51" printed in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

(d) A business that has a permit or license issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code and that is not required to display a sign under this section may be required to display a sign under Section 11.041 or 61.11, Alcoholic Beverage Code.

(e) This section does not apply to a business that has a food and beverage certificate issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code.

Texas Administrative Code http://texreg.sos.state.tx.us/public/re ... xt.viewtac



http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... 45#p459130

Yup. Just because some sign says something's unlawful, doesn't mean it actually is.

[Flightmare]

Has anyone been here recently? The TABC license posted earlier said it expired in 2017. I'm not finding the address listed on TABC. Could be because of my fat fingers though.