Sig...did I limp wrist it?

[parabelum]

On my P229 .357 Sig with the e squared frame, today I had two rounds out of almost 300 where I had failure to fire. Hammer went down and click, nothing. Pulled trigger again, boom. First one was after maybe 40 rds, 2nd one was another 50 rds later.
Then the last 100 rds (50 WWB and 50 federal jhp) it ran flawlessly (or maybe I ran better ?).
Ones where I had failure to fire were elite ammunition.

I've never had this happen before, and this p229 is your stock e2 .357 Sig.

I failed to look at the two bullet casings that didn't fire on the first hit , mainly because they went off after 2nd trigger pull.

I'm thinking I limp wristed it. What says you?

Upside, it was a tack driver day at 25 yards.

[maverick2076]

Limp wristing wouldn't have caused a FTF that would have been solved by a second strike. Most likely hard primers on cheap ammo. You might check your firing pin for wear.

[parabelum]

Limp wristing wouldn't have caused a FTF that would have been solved by a second strike. Most likely hard primers on cheap ammo. You might check your firing pin for wear.

Ok. I am not the Sig expert, what is the most efficient method for checking? Visual, pencil eraser end inside of barrel ??? This gun has no more then 600 rds through it, not modified etc.

Btw, the casings that I picked up to inspect show normal hits, nothing weak or off that I can see.

This was my first time running elite performance .357 Sig ammo.

[maverick2076]

I'm no Sig expert either. I just got my first one about a month ago. I'd disassemble the pistol IAW the manufacturer's instructions, check the end of the firing pin for obvious wear, and maybe consider replacing springs. BUT, given the low round count on the pistol, and the fact that the malfunctions only occurred with one brand of ammo, I'd simply change ammo brands and not even bother with the rest unless it starts having malfunctions with different ammo types.

[rotor]

You need to look at the primer strike to see if it is a good strike. I am betting that it is the ammo. All is academic until you check the quality of the primer strike. I don't see how limp wristing could cause this as the gun isn't going to fire unless in battery.

[parabelum]

I messed up typing...not ftf but failure to fire (edited in the op).

It fed everything like a champ.

[parabelum]

You need to look at the primer strike to see if it is a good strike. I am betting that it is the ammo. All is academic until you check the quality of the primer strike. I don't see how limp wristing could cause this as the gun isn't going to fire unless in battery.

All the casings I've inspected appear consistent and have good strikes. I'll try to post pics later.

In my idiocy I failed to take pics of the elite performance casings duh!

[rotor]

From your description of having good primer strikes I would conclude you have gotten some bad ammo. This kind of stuff just happens.I bet if you email the manufacturer they will replace it, if it's even worth your time.

[C-dub]

I must be missing something here. After a SECOND pull of the trigger the round fired? On all of my semi-autos when I pull the trigger a second time nothing happens unless I have cycled the slide again. However, in order to attempt to fire same round again I must have first dropped the mag, then caught that round when cycling the slide, and reload it back into the top of the mag before reinserting it back into the gun for reloading back into the chamber.

Now, if this is really how it worked then I would agree that it was something with either the primer or the firing pin. If all of that didn't happen and the OP simply pulled the trigger again and then it fired, well, I'd say there was something else going on.

[carlson1]

I say it is your ammo.

[rotor]

I must be missing something here. After a SECOND pull of the trigger the round fired? On all of my semi-autos when I pull the trigger a second time nothing happens unless I have cycled the slide again. However, in order to attempt to fire same round again I must have first dropped the mag, then caught that round when cycling the slide, and reload it back into the top of the mag before reinserting it back into the gun for reloading back into the chamber.

Now, if this is really how it worked then I would agree that it was something with either the primer or the firing pin. If all of that didn't happen and the OP simply pulled the trigger again and then it fired, well, I'd say there was something else going on.

DA/SA pistol. In other words hammer can be reset by a trigger pull although usually a heavier pull than the single action mode.

[C-dub]

I must be missing something here. After a SECOND pull of the trigger the round fired? On all of my semi-autos when I pull the trigger a second time nothing happens unless I have cycled the slide again. However, in order to attempt to fire same round again I must have first dropped the mag, then caught that round when cycling the slide, and reload it back into the top of the mag before reinserting it back into the gun for reloading back into the chamber.

Now, if this is really how it worked then I would agree that it was something with either the primer or the firing pin. If all of that didn't happen and the OP simply pulled the trigger again and then it fired, well, I'd say there was something else going on.

DA/SA pistol. In other words hammer can be reset by a trigger pull although usually a heavier pull than the single action mode.

Ah,

That's what I was missing.

[parabelum]

Ok, I snapped a picture of few .357 Sig wwb fmj and federal jhp casings. These I collected from the pool of 50 rds of wwb and 50 rds of federal, both ran flawlessly, and the weapon if anything was dirtier as I shot these last.

If anyone can observe something weird on those strikes in the pic, let me know. To me they look normal.

Again, unfortunately I did not collect elite performance casings but out of almost 200rds, only two were duds.

It is just something I've never experienced before. I pulled the trigger and hammer dropped and nothing happened. On one I cocked the hammer back and squeezed the trigger and that round then fired as normal.

On the other dud, when the hammer fall and nothing happened, obviously slide didn't move, I just squeezed the trigger and it fired as it should.

This happened on two different mags (had enough sense to at least test that), so I'm pretty sure it is not mag related.

The last two mags of federal jhp, I rapid fired two mags back to back, no issues.

I will just chunk it as bad ammo, as others have pointed out, and I'll stay with wwb for range and federal for sd.

That's two duds out of I believe 298 rds I fired today. I think it is hip worthy.

Side note, incredibly accurate and I had no other issues at all. Just those two weird ones...

[rotor]

Nothing wrong with your gun looking at those pix. Bad ammo.

[parabelum]

That is good. My first hunch was to blame myself of course.
I will run couple hundred more rds of wwb and see how it does. But no more elite performance for me. .357 Sig is pricey to experiment with.

For some odd reason, I tend to shoot better with Sig in this particular caliber then with my Glocks.

I like it. A lot.