Concealed Carry License for Non-Residents???

windplex · #1

Two questions, please, regarding Concealed Carry licensing from your knowledgeable folks:

1) Does Texas issue concealed carry licenses to non Texas residents if they live in states that do not issue concealed carry licenses to their state residents?

Assumming "YES" to question number one;
2) Among you, Who offers concealed carry classes and what is your schedule?

Wisconsin is a very backward state when it comes to allowing concealed carry. Our Govenors have a history of vetoing concealed carry bills. Milwaukee, a city of about 600,000 people has about 113 record murders this year (so far) and can be attributed, in part, to the fact that the liberal Govenors will not allow us good citicens to carry legal firearms and protect ourselves from people with illegal firearms Seattle, is the same size and similar in many ways and its murder rate is 35 this year -- they issue concealed carry permits and have one third the murders! This confirms what we already know!

Thank you very much for your help!

Brian

#2

You can get a Texas CHL as a non-resident, regardless of your home state. No longer do you have to live in a State that doesn't issue CHL's. That was an asinine requirement that has been removed from the Texas CHL statute during the 2005 Texas Legislative Session.

There are several CHL instructors on the forum, so I'm sure you'll get the information you need.

Welcome to TexasCHLforum,
Chas.

P.S.: The Texas Legislature Online Codes and Statutes database has not been updated to show all of the revisions from the 2005 Legislative Session, so here is the exact language from HB225 that passed and became effective on 9/1/05:

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS: SECTION 1. Section 411.173(a), Government Code, as amended by Chapters 255 and 752, Acts of the 78th Legislature, Regular Session, 2003, is reenacted and amended to read as follows: (a) The department by rule shall establish a procedure for a person who meets the eligibility requirements of this subchapter other than the residency requirement established by Section 411.172(a)(1) to obtain a license under this subchapter if the person is a legal resident of another state or if the person relocates to this state with the intent to establish residency in this state. The procedure must include payment of a fee in an amount sufficient to recover the average cost to the department of obtaining a criminal history record check and investigation on a nonresident applicant. A license issued in accordance with the procedure established under this subsection: (1) remains in effect until the license expires under Section 411.183; and (2) may be renewed under Section 411.185

[I'm moving this to another Section.]

txinvestigator · #3

For a non-resident to get a Texas CHL, he needs a Texas ID card issued by the Texas DPS, and he must take a CHL class in Texas.

I am the training director at the DFW GunRange in Dallas, TX.

We offer classes every Saturday, and once a month over 3 evenings. it is all inclusive (prints, photos and notarize documents.

investment is only $120.00. If you need to use a gun we will provide you one, but them you would need to purchase and use our ammo.

Send me a PM if you are interested.

windplex · #4

Thank you Chas!

Texas is far ahead of Wisconsin, and other states, for guarding the rights of its citizens.

Did Texas pass the law/amendmentment, like Florida's, that one is not legally required to run first before shooting in self defense?

I would expext that Texas already had such a law as it is common sense and that is how I view Texas: common sense laws--Unfortunately common sense is all too uncommon elsewhere!!!

Thank you once again!
Brian

#5

windplex wrote:Did Texas pass the law/amendmentment, like Florida's, that one is not legally required to run first before shooting in self defense? Brian

No, Texas has not passed a Florida-style Castle Doctrine. I expect it will be a hot topic during the 2007 Texas Legislative Session. Texas is a "modified duty to retreat" state. There is no duty to retreat in your home. Outside your home, you have to retreat before using deadly force if a reasonable person would have do so under the circumstances and you can retreat safely, i.e. without increasing the danger to you. I'm at a loss to imagine how I could flee from someone without exposing my back to incoming fire or a knife, but I guess such circumstances may occur from time to time.

Chas.

windplex · #6

Chas, Thank you for clarifying. So outside the home it is all grey.

Thirty five years ago a police chief came folloowing a breaking into my grandfather's appartment. fortunately my grandfather, who's home had been robbed a dozen times, had well trined and large dogs that chewed the burgler pretty well ( I saw the blood on the kitchen floor and leading out the window he came in threw). My grandfather shot toward the fleeing burgler, but deliberatly not at him, to warn him that he should expect worse should he come back. He told all this to his friend the police chief.

The poolice chief said next time if he shoots at a burgler he had better kill him or be sued and he had also better drag the body inside his apartment if he does.

Of course forensics have advanced over the lat 35 years. However the underlying problem with shooting in self defense remains with that darn grey area. Did you really need to shoot? Well yea I did or he would have killed me, that's why I shot! unfortunately, there seems to be never ending second guessing of defensive shootings, and the "outside" part of the TX law opens the door.

#7

windplex wrote:Chas, Thank you for clarifying. So outside the home it is all grey.

This is a great example why I like doing live seminars. We can discuss the Penal Code, case law, then we can discuss the real world.

Oh well, only so many hours in a day . . . :?

Regards,
Chas.

PS: Windplex, I'm not being critical at all. There are just some topics I'd rather not cover on the Internet for all the world to see.

windplex · #8

Chas, No offense taken whatsoever!

I took your responce for what it was: A response from a trainer who knows his stuff and is ready to train others in the code as well as real world aspects of the topic.

I just find it ironic that 35 plus years later we face much the same challenges for law abiding citizens with registered guns acting legally defending their lives against live long criminals who possess illegal and unregistered guns.

Such is the state of our society that we seem to value the rights of the criminal over the law abiding citizen.

May common sence reign once again!

Brian