Missouri Football Coach - No Handguns Ownership

[vjallen75]

Makes you wonder...

Since A&M is in the SEC, by Texas Law students are allowed to carry on campus. I would like to see how this would play out in court. I am not advocating a student to do so, but I think it would be very interesting to see the schools approach at defense especially if it is not in writing.

[JustSomeOldGuy]

How many college football players are age 21 or older? I'm guessing they'd be in the minority.
Of any who are 21 and older, how many of them live on campus? I'm guessing essentially none.
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{subsequent revision}
Oops, I presumed that Missouri was like Texas in that you could not purchase a handgun until age 21. Which would have made the whole thing mostly a moot point.

A few minutes with google has informed me that the legal age in Missouri is 18.
Like Gene Hackman's character said in the movie 'The Replacements', "if nothing else, this should be fun to watch".

[WTR]

How many college football players are age 21 or older? I'm guessing they'd be in the minority.
Of any who are 21 and older, how many of them live on campus? I'm guessing essentially none.

Since when did you need to be 21 to "own" a handgun?

[TexasTornado]

How many college football players are age 21 or older? I'm guessing they'd be in the minority.
Of any who are 21 and older, how many of them live on campus? I'm guessing essentially none.

Why does 21+ matter here. The policies are against gun ownership, not just campus carry. I'm sure they are all or almost all at least 18.

[Keith B]

Missouri is a very gun-friendly state overall. Lots of rural areas and hunting and shooting are a right of passage for many youth. Even the cities have major suburban areas that are predominantly rich with firearms owners.

Missouri allows 19 year olds to get their CCW. I taught a class back in the early spring and had a student who turned 19 three weeks earlier. Unlicensed open carry has always been legal unless prohibited by local ordinance. There is a bill pending override of the governors veto that will allow unlicensed concealed carry unless prohibited by local ordinance. Some question on if that will get override when the legislature reconvenes, but there is a good chance it will.

Our daughter graduated from Mizzou in May of 2015. It is a great school overall and is the oldest formal journalism school in the world. They also have a very large agriculture program and there is a large contingent of students that hunt and shoot. When we did Dad's weekend for my daughters sorority, one of the girls put together a sporting clay shoot. We had a blast (well, many blasts!).

The issues last year has hurt their enrollment, but it was more issues with overall administration not following through with complaints than anything else. The Mass Communication professor that made the news got bounced pretty quick. They will rebound and get their enrollment back on track.

M-I-Z!!

[Keith B]

One thing that I failed to mention was that the sports program imports players from all over the country. There is a significant drug issue around Columbia, and many of the 'imports' are around that. Lately in the city there have been numerous robberies in apartment complexes, especially around the ones that are higher end where students with money live, including many of the athlete's who are on scholarships and have money from home. So, like other schools, the coach made a knee-jerk decision to try and keep the athlete's from owning handguns. I am a little surprised since Odom is from Lawton, OK, but he may be one of those who grew up around hunting, but handguns (and maybe long guns) were not part of his life.

[FloridaViaMissouri]

Missouri is a very gun-friendly state overall. Lots of rural areas and hunting and shooting are a right of passage for many youth. Even the cities have major suburban areas that are predominantly rich with firearms owners.

Missouri allows 19 year olds to get their CCW. I taught a class back in the early spring and had a student who turned 19 three weeks earlier. Unlicensed open carry has always been legal unless prohibited by local ordinance. There is a bill pending override of the governors veto that will allow unlicensed concealed carry unless prohibited by local ordinance. Some question on if that will get override when the legislature reconvenes, but there is a good chance it will.

Our daughter graduated from Mizzou in May of 2015. It is a great school overall and is the oldest formal journalism school in the world. They also have a very large agriculture program and there is a large contingent of students that hunt and shoot. When we did Dad's weekend for my daughters sorority, one of the girls put together a sporting clay shoot. We had a blast (well, many blasts!).

The issues last year has hurt their enrollment, but it was more issues with overall administration not following through with complaints than anything else. The Mass Communication professor that made the news got bounced pretty quick. They will rebound and get their enrollment back on track.

M-I-Z!!

Actually it's 18 years old because an 18 year old can apply for a Maine permit which they issue at 18 up there. Maine permit not good in most states though but works for Missouri as does any permit.

Also the revised article 1, section 23 of the MO constitution IMO also gives these players protection as well, especially being a state school.

I wouldn't be so sure on an override. While if it makes it to the house it will be override, BUT the senate only needs to flip two votes. Remember what happened in the senate in 2013? I hear Bloomberg is putting most of their efforts on the senate because if he stops it, it will have to be in the senate. Ryan Silvery, republican senator out of Kansas City commented about Bloomberg recently and how demanding mom's did a poll in his district that claimed 85 percent against constitutional carry, and if he would change his vote. He said he will not change his vote because he doesn't believe the Bloomberg poll because he is getting bombarded with support for the bill about 2-1 he says. Heavy pressure needs to be put on the senators now. If this doesn't pass, hopefully next year when passed Chris Koster will stand by his claims and sign the bill.

[Keith B]

Actually it's 18 years old because an 18 year old can apply for a Maine permit which they issue at 18 up there. Maine permit not good in most states though but works for Missouri as does any permit.

Also the revised article 1, section 23 of the MO constitution IMO also gives these players protection as well, especially being a state school.

I wouldn't be so sure on an override. While if it makes it to the house it will be override, BUT the senate only needs to flip two votes. Remember what happened in the senate in 2013? I hear Bloomberg is putting most of their efforts on the senate because if he stops it, it will have to be in the senate. Ryan Silvery, republican senator out of Kansas City commented about Bloomberg recently and how demanding mom's did a poll in his district that claimed 85 percent against constitutional carry, and if he would change his vote. He said he will not change his vote because he doesn't believe the Bloomberg poll because he is getting bombarded with support for the bill about 2-1 he says. Heavy pressure needs to be put on the senators now. If this doesn't pass, hopefully next year when passed Chris Koster will stand by his claims and sign the bill.

Well, I was only talking about a resident CCW, not non-resident. They can open carry at eighteen in most cities and in the rural areas without a permit, or carry in their vehicle anywhere.

And, yes, the coach doesn't have a legal leg to stand on because of article 1, section 23 http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/Const ... 10231.html

As for the override, will just have to see. It will be close for sure.

[FloridaViaMissouri]

Actually it's 18 years old because an 18 year old can apply for a Maine permit which they issue at 18 up there. Maine permit not good in most states though but works for Missouri as does any permit.

Also the revised article 1, section 23 of the MO constitution IMO also gives these players protection as well, especially being a state school.

I wouldn't be so sure on an override. While if it makes it to the house it will be override, BUT the senate only needs to flip two votes. Remember what happened in the senate in 2013? I hear Bloomberg is putting most of their efforts on the senate because if he stops it, it will have to be in the senate. Ryan Silvery, republican senator out of Kansas City commented about Bloomberg recently and how demanding mom's did a poll in his district that claimed 85 percent against constitutional carry, and if he would change his vote. He said he will not change his vote because he doesn't believe the Bloomberg poll because he is getting bombarded with support for the bill about 2-1 he says. Heavy pressure needs to be put on the senators now. If this doesn't pass, hopefully next year when passed Chris Koster will stand by his claims and sign the bill.

Well, I was only talking about a resident CCW, not non-resident. They can open carry at eighteen in most cities and in the rural areas without a permit, or carry in their vehicle anywhere.

And, yes, the coach doesn't have a legal leg to stand on because of article 1, section 23 http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/Const ... 10231.html

As for the override, will just have to see. It will be close for sure.

I think it will be override with 112-114 votes in the House IMO. Remember six republicans were absent the last day and a few democrats too, and Stephen Weber, a democrap said he's switching to nay. Ron Hicks resigned 3 weeks ago which ticked me off why he couldn't wait till after session. Hicks tells me he thinks it will easily pass the House still. The democrats absent I'm not sure what district and if they were one of the few other pro gun ones. I know (I) Keith English will vote for the override.

The Senate is what will make or break the bill. From what I hear everyone pretty much is sticking to their position on this bill though. Lets hope two senators are not traitors. I'm glad Ryan Silvey came out in support. He is one of the urban area ones the antis wanted to flip. Another Stl area senator, Paul Wieland said a week ago he will be voting to override and he says there is strong support for the bill. No way he would vote no in his district, they'd eat him alive and elect a democrat then. Since Silvey is on board, They will probably be targeting senators Kraus and Schmitt to flip their votes. All the other senators are from rural areas and I don't see them voting against it.

[FloridaViaMissouri]

I wrote to Bob Onder, assistant floor majority leader and heard back from him tonight. He will be sticking with his vote he told me and will vote for overriding! I'm sure he's been targeted by Bloomberg too since he's one from the metro area as well. Ryan Silvey's district is being targeted by Bloomberg with polling, but Silvey as mentioned doesn't believe demanding moms and will vote to override he said.

That basically leaves Kraus and Schmitt, two remaining ones from the two main metro areas (Stl, KC)in question that are likely being heavily lobbied by Bloomberg to flip.

You have Kurt Schaefer from the more moderate Columbia area, but there is no way in hell he would even think of not voting to override this bill, very pro gun guy, and Senator Wieland from stl area, Jefferson County but he also said he strongly supports the bill and will be voting to override. Jefferson county while swing county is very pro gun and it would be political suicide for Wieland not to vote for the override.

I'm feeling more confident about the senate side though. With the house we still have two democrats who will likely stick by their votes for it, and 6 republicans who were absent the last day. Democrat Stephen Webster back in July said he was switching to voting nay on the override he stated.

Thanks for your email. I'm with you 100%. I voted for the bill in the
session, and I will vote to override.

Bob

[FloridaViaMissouri]

Saw this from Missouri Firearms Coalition on facebook tonight. Doesn't sound good. A facebook user wrote to Ron Richard asking for support and the reply he got makes it sound like Richard is unsure still of supporting the override.

At least with most Democraps you know what you're getting from them and they're pretty consistent with their stances like Obama, Billary etc. These type of Republicans are the worst when they trick you into being pro gun. They did this bull back in 2013 with the 2a preservation act override vote.

Folks, there is a major fight coming to Jeff City next week over this bill! We are hearing of numerous Republicans who may back the Nixon/Bloomberg override and stab us all in the back! Please call, email and FB your legislators immediately.

[TexasTornado]

Ok obviously missing something here. What bill? What override? And what do they have to do with 2A regulations on football players?

[Jusme]

Ok obviously missing something here. What bill? What override? And what do they have to do with 2A regulations on football players?

It's in the Missouri Legislature. The thread kinda veered off when the Missouri football coach was quoted.