I deal with this every day...

[jb2012]

Well maybe not every day but seriously, probably once a week. Unless you actually visit a college campus, you probably wouldn't even believe some of the things that I have heard about guns and the gun control argument. You wouldn't believe the things I've heard TEACHERS say!! I'm convinced that people just make stuff up as they speak. This video is exactly what I see all the time. How many people would change their mind/stance on guns if they actually heard some legitimate facts about guns, how they operate, and real world crime statistics?


http://www.redstate.com/kylefoley/2016/ ... uns-video/

[bblhd672]

How many people would change their mind/stance on guns if they actually heard some legitimate facts about guns, how they operate, and real world crime statistics?

I believe the answer is not too many. Lemmings find it easier to just walk off the cliff rather than consider other alternatives.

[jb2012]

How many people would change their mind/stance on guns if they actually heard some legitimate facts about guns, how they operate, and real world crime statistics?

I believe the answer is not too many. Lemmings find it easier to just walk off the cliff rather than consider other alternatives.

Good point! Not sure if you watched the Austin "Town Hall" meeting that was televised and covered on here as well; at one point during the forum, the host asked the panel if they would reconsider their position on campus carry should statistics prove contrary to their beliefs. Of course the "pro gun" side, being the humble guys that they are, agreed that they would reconsider their opinion and look at other options, while one female on the panel (anti 2A obviously) immediately refused, and basically stated that guns are always bad and should never ever be anywhere around her at any time, regardless of what reality is. I see this also every day, our side will attempt to converse with free thoughts, present valid arguments in a calm collected manner, while the other side whines like a baby and refuses to listen to anything other than liberal indoctrination.

[G26ster]

Well maybe not every day but seriously, probably once a week. Unless you actually visit a college campus, you probably wouldn't even believe some of the things that I have heard about guns and the gun control argument. You wouldn't believe the things I've heard TEACHERS say!! I'm convinced that people just make stuff up as they speak. This video is exactly what I see all the time. How many people would change their mind/stance on guns if they actually heard some legitimate facts about guns, how they operate, and real world crime statistics?


http://www.redstate.com/kylefoley/2016/ ... uns-video/

I don't think the pro-gun lobby puts forth much information to counter any of the false claims by the anti-gun lobby. Why are key rebuttal questions never asked of those supporting gun control? I believe a few questions such as these would put a blank stare on their faces, and maybe , just maybe, a few would question what they have heard blasted at them over and over:

1. Is the AR-15 a "weapon of war used to kill as many people as possible in as short a period of time as possible?"

Typical answer would likely be "yes."

Follow up with, "if that's true, why is it that not one single military in the world, including our own, uses the AR-15 as an assault rifle?"

Typical answer should be, "uhhh" or blank stare.

Follow up with:

"And if it is a weapon of war/assault rifle used to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible, why is the AR-15 the rifle of choice for most all civilian police forces in this country? When is a local police department going to have to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible?"

Typical answer should be, "uhhh" or blank stare.

Follow up with:

"Then why are local police departments equipped with so-called "weapons of war/assault rifles" to use against the civilian population?

Typical answer would/should be, "uhhh" or blank stare.

2. If the AR-15 is a "high powered rifle," why is it banned for hunting deer and elk, for example, in many states due to the fact it doesn't kill the game, it only wounds them, and makes them suffer due to the fact it is too low powered?"

Typical answer would/should be, "uhhh" or blank stare.

True, the anti will likely deflect and then followup with more misinformation, but I believe at least some of those listening/viewing might begin to question what they have been indoctrinated with. Small chance, but better than the lack of push back I see/hear/read today. The NRA ads are fine, but they are very general and address our our general safety. But I think ads, with questions put forth as above, are needed.

I don't own, or care to own, an AR-15, but all the misinformation gets my goat anyway as it is designed to erode the rights that millions fought to preserve. It doesn't matter if it's a 2A question or a 1A question, or any other A question. Constitutional rights are precious and must be protected.

[Liberty]

1. Is the AR-15 a "weapon of war used to kill as many people as possible in as short a period of time as possible?"

Typical answer would likely be "yes."

Follow up with, "if that's true, why is it that not one single military in the world, including our own, uses the AR-15 as an assault rifle?"

I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.

[Middle Age Russ]

at one point during the forum, the host asked the panel if they would reconsider their position on campus carry should statistics prove contrary to their beliefs. Of course the "pro gun" side, being the humble guys that they are, agreed that they would reconsider their opinion and look at other options, while one female on the panel (anti 2A obviously) immediately refused, and basically stated that guns are always bad and should never ever be anywhere around her at any time, regardless of what reality is. I see this also every day, our side will attempt to converse with free thoughts, present valid arguments in a calm collected manner, while the other side whines like a baby and refuses to listen to anything other than liberal indoctrination.

This is why we'll never get past the issue of folks wanting to ban guns. Those calling for a ban do not seek compromise -- they simply want to take one more incremental step toward banning them. They call for everyone to discuss and compromise, but they are neither willing to listen to facts and figure nor actually engage in compromise because they don't (and wouldn't if they did) have anything to give up in the give-and-take of true compromise.

Incrementalism is the name of their game and it is always played thus. Ask/call for more than is possible/likely -- Call for compromise when met with resistance -- agree to accept less than initially asked for without giving anything up in return -- start the process all over again. They are not acting in good faith and those of them with any real sense at all know it, but to them the ends justifies any means.

[ScottDLS]

1. Is the AR-15 a "weapon of war used to kill as many people as possible in as short a period of time as possible?"

Typical answer would likely be "yes."

Follow up with, "if that's true, why is it that not one single military in the world, including our own, uses the AR-15 as an assault rifle?"

I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.

Isn't it an M16 or M4? Doesn't Colt have the trademark on the AR15 name and use it only for semi-autos?

[G26ster]

I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.

The M16 and M4 have a select fire switch allowing it to be fully automatic. The non class3 AR-15 does not. Am I wrong?

[bblhd672]

Well maybe not every day but seriously, probably once a week. Unless you actually visit a college campus, you probably wouldn't even believe some of the things that I have heard about guns and the gun control argument. You wouldn't believe the things I've heard TEACHERS say!! I'm convinced that people just make stuff up as they speak. This video is exactly what I see all the time. How many people would change their mind/stance on guns if they actually heard some legitimate facts about guns, how they operate, and real world crime statistics?


http://www.redstate.com/kylefoley/2016/ ... uns-video/

By the way, I did not watch the video - redstate.com is anti-Trump and is actively working to pursuade Republicans, conservatives and independents from voting for Trump.

[bblhd672]

I don't own, or care to own, an AR-15,

That sounds like an issue that needs to be addressed by your local FFL!

How are you going to fight off the zombie horde without a beautiful black rifle (also available in other colors)?

[G26ster]

I don't own, or care to own, an AR-15,

That sounds like an issue that needs to be addressed by your local FFL!

How are you going to fight off the zombie horde without a beautiful black rifle (also available in other colors)?

After I turned in my M1 Garand in 1963, Uncle Sam loaned me am M14. Liked both, qualified expert in both. Liked the 1911 really too! In 1968, prior to deployment to RVN he loaned me an M16. Hated it, only qualified Marksman! Geez. Fortunately I didn't go overseas as Infantry, as I went to flight school and when I got over there he lent me a S&W Model 10 revolver, and gave me 6 rounds. Guess I was supposed to use it on myself in the event I went down and was about to be captured They also issued me an M16, but it doesn't fit in the Cobra cockpit, so it stayed home everyday. Best used when the BG's were "in the wire."

My Zombie defense is a couple of WWII M1 Carbines with 30 rd mags. Love the carbine, and can hit a Zombie at 100 yds, no problem. Good thing they walk real slow. I'm more of a "collector" than a recreational shooter, or hunter. Went hunting once. Asked my self while out there freezing one morning how I wound up back in the Infantry, freezing my butt off, trapesing all over creation, eating out of a can, and sleeping on the ground. Not fun. besides, I don't like wild game, and I've tried it all. Well, bacon is the exception

I collect military revolvers dating back to the 19th century, and most are very low powered, but really heavy enough to hurt a Zombie if I throw one at him/her.

[Liberty]

I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.

The M16 and M4 have a select fire switch allowing it to be fully automatic. The non class3 AR-15 does not. Am I wrong?

The M16 and M4 are government designations for an AR-15 that has the Select Fire Switch. Can be full auto or burst mode. They are still an AR-15 pattern gun. I don't know how much of a trademark Colt has, but it seems to me everyones making them and calling it an AR-15.

[Skiprr]

Isn't it an M16 or M4? Doesn't Colt have the trademark on the AR15 name and use it only for semi-autos?

Colt used to have "AR-15" and "AR 15" trademarked, but not for a decade now (text mark only, filed in 1966; the trademark for "Colt AR-15" includes both mark--image--and text, and is still active). That was decided in Colt vs. Bushmaster in 2005 (Case 2:04-cv-00240-GZS). In essence, the ruling was for Bushmaster, saying that the term had become in such common usage that it now was generic...think "escalator" or "thermos," both trademarked at some point.

The previous Colt trademark for "M4" died a different death in 2001. Here's a link to a report of Colt's trademarks, both active and deceased Trivia: until 1995, there was a trademark for "Samuel Colt" with a product line of "Meats and processed food products," including hotdogs, chili, potato chips, etc. Who knew?

[G26ster]

I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.

The M16 and M4 have a select fire switch allowing it to be fully automatic. The non class3 AR-15 does not. Am I wrong?

The M16 and M4 are government designations for an AR-15 that has the Select Fire Switch. Can be full auto or burst mode. They are still an AR-15 pattern gun. I don't know how much of a trademark Colt has, but it seems to me everyones making them and calling it an AR-15.

I'm not doubting that the M16 and M4 are AR-15 "pattern" guns, or that M16 and M4 are military designations for the AR-15 "pattern," but without the select fire switch, the civilian model AR-15 is neither a "weapon of war" nor an assault rifle used by any military. So, by placing the words "civilian model" before AR-15 should make my questions entirely accurate IMHO.

[Liberty]

I'm not doubting that the M16 and M4 are AR-15 "pattern" guns, or that M16 and M4 are military designations for the AR-15 "pattern," but without the select fire switch, the civilian model AR-15 is neither a "weapon of war" nor an assault rifle used by any military. So, by placing the words "civilian model" before AR-15 should make my questions entirely accurate IMHO.

Yes, That's what I was trying to say.