Three professors sue UT to keep guns out of their classrooms

[ELB]

v7a, thanks for the update.

[dlh]

Nice work on the part of the attorneys for the Attorney General and the University of Texas! Now, let's hope Judge Yeakel dismisses the case out of hand.

I have a strong suspicion an "interest group" (think leftist anti-gun groups--there are several) is paying the attorney's fees incurred by the plaintiffs. Always nice when parties gets a free lawyer (sarcasm).

[ELB]

Nice work on the part of the attorneys for the Attorney General and the University of Texas! Now, let's hope Judge Yeakel dismisses the case out of hand.

I have a strong suspicion an "interest group" (think leftist anti-gun groups--there are several) is paying the attorney's fees incurred by the plaintiffs. Always nice when parties gets a free lawyer (sarcasm).

I am betting there is some pro bono work going on here.

[TexasJohnBoy]

Nice work on the part of the attorneys for the Attorney General and the University of Texas! Now, let's hope Judge Yeakel dismisses the case out of hand.

I have a strong suspicion an "interest group" (think leftist anti-gun groups--there are several) is paying the attorney's fees incurred by the plaintiffs. Always nice when parties gets a free lawyer (sarcasm).

I am betting there is some pro bono work going on here.

And it's costing UT and the AG's office money. Funny how that works...

[Jusme]

There should be no tenure at state-supported colleges and universities. Private schools can be imprudent if they wish, but taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with incompetent professors who happened to stick around long enough to become nearly termination-proof.

Chas.

Longevity, is not a sign of competence.

[ELB]

There should be no tenure at state-supported colleges and universities. Private schools can be imprudent if they wish, but taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with incompetent professors who happened to stick around long enough to become nearly termination-proof.

Chas.

Longevity, is not a sign of competence.

Yes, this.

The reason of tenure that is often proffered is, once again, "academic freedom," but in fact it is the tenured professors and their administrative overseers in the "diversity" offices who actively restrict freedom of thought on campuses.

[v7a]

The plaintiffs also filed a brief yesterday. Anyone have access to PACER to retrieve it?

Professors who ban guns in their classrooms will be punished, UT lawyer says

The state's lawyers, in their Monday filing, asked Judge Lee Yeakel to throw out the professors' lawsuit. The educators fired back in their own brief, calling again for Yeakel to halt the law for one semester so they can hold a public trial on whether campus carry violates their constitutional rights to free speech and equal protection.

The professors' lawyers say the law and UT's own campus carry rules are too vague for his clients to know if and how they might be punished if they tried to keep gun owners out of their classrooms.

"No person of common intelligence — and one would think that the tenured plaintiffs rise at least to that level — can figure out what governs them on this issue under Texas law and UT policies," the professors' attorneys wrote.

They go on to say there is nothing in state law or UT policy that explicitly forbids professors to ban guns in classrooms, so, then, the question is "whether there is any policy at all that would bar plaintiffs from doing what they want to do or that would punish them in some way if they did so.

[bblhd672]

There should be no tenure at state-supported colleges and universities. Private schools can be imprudent if they wish, but taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with incompetent professors who happened to stick around long enough to become nearly termination-proof.

Chas.

[parabelum]

There should be no tenure at state-supported colleges and universities. Private schools can be imprudent if they wish, but taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with incompetent professors who happened to stick around long enough to become nearly termination-proof.

Chas.

100% agree.

As non-private entities, state-supported (our tax dollar subsidized) collages and universities, can roll on with that subversive anti 2A attitude elsewhere.

From what I'm seeing, it looks like they have picked a wrong battle to fight, which is enlightening...

[v7a]

Surprising opinion piece on the lawsuit - in the Austin American-Statesman of all places! : Gun freedom and free speech fears

[casp625]

Surprising opinion piece on the lawsuit - in the Austin American-Statesman of all places! : Gun freedom and free speech fears

At least the author echoed what I've been thinking all along!

And for the folks who saw irony in the metal detectors at the federal courthouse, please be aware that metal detectors would be the only method of making sure your First Amendment rights are not fettered by your fear that someone in your class might have a gun.

Nothing has changed. Before this law, you didn’t know if somebody had a concealed gun in your classroom. And you won’t know now.

[goose]

Surprising opinion piece on the lawsuit - in the Austin American-Statesman of all places! : Gun freedom and free speech fears

At least the author echoed what I've been thinking all along!

And for the folks who saw irony in the metal detectors at the federal courthouse, please be aware that metal detectors would be the only method of making sure your First Amendment rights are not fettered by your fear that someone in your class might have a gun.

Nothing has changed. Before this law, you didn’t know if somebody had a concealed gun in your classroom. And you won’t know now.

That is good stuff right there.

[TexasTornado]

A hearing has been scheduled for early August, according to this article:

Specifically, the professors seek the right to ban guns from their classrooms -- something the university has maintained would put it out of compliance with the new law. The professors, who argue that both state law and university policies are vague on that point, on Friday were granted a hearing for a preliminary injunction on having to allow weapons in class. It’s scheduled for early next month. Fall classes resume at the end of August.

We just do not want guns in our classrooms; we have a well-trained police force in the city of Austin and on campus. I trust our first responders to protect us.”

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Based on their logic (and I use that term loosely) couldn't LTC students just form their own "militia," do some additional range time together etc?

[MeMelYup]

They sound like Chicken Little.

[ELB]

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Based on their logic (and I use that term loosely) couldn't LTC students just form their own "militia," do some additional range time together etc?

Now now, settle down. Else students will walk into class and find their prof is still in her "gun free" individual office, curled up under the desk in a fetal position.