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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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GC §411.209. WRONGFUL EXCLUSION OF CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE HOLDER. wrote:(a) A state agency or a political subdivision of the state may not provide notice by a communication described by Section 30.06, Penal Code, or by any sign expressly referring to that law or to a concealed handgun license, that a license holder carrying a handgun under the authority of this subchapter is prohibited from entering or remaining on a premises or other place owned or leased by the governmental entity unless license holders are prohibited from carrying a handgun on the premises or other place by Section 46.03 or 46.035, Penal Code.
[quote=""PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN."]a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) carries a concealed handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.[/quote]
With the parts I highlighted in red above in mind, if a LEO tries to enforce the organizer's ban, hasn't he effectively provided oral notice? It seems to me that whatever entity he works for (city, county, etc.) would have violated the law.

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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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- The 'posting' on the website did NOT have 1" tall letters (at least, not on my screen)
- If they're trying to make their events 'gun-free', they didn't learn anything from Orlando.....
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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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JustSomeOldGuy wrote:- The 'posting' on the website did NOT have 1" tall letters (at least, not on my screen)
- If they're trying to make their events 'gun-free', they didn't learn anything from Orlando.....
Per the penal code, the written letters have no height requirement. However, it does say "Written communication" and "card or other document", which makes me believe text on the website would not meet requirements (not everyone goes online to look, so you would not have been given notice).

"Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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I'm thinking about holding a "not-gay pride white lives matter" parade...or would that be bigoted and racist?
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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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locke_n_load wrote:
JustSomeOldGuy wrote:- The 'posting' on the website did NOT have 1" tall letters (at least, not on my screen)
- If they're trying to make their events 'gun-free', they didn't learn anything from Orlando.....
Per the penal code, the written letters have no height requirement. However, it does say "Written communication" and "card or other document", which makes me believe text on the website would not meet requirements (not everyone goes online to look, so you would not have been given notice).

"Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
I think the website would meet the definition of other document in that it is either a .pdf or Word document or html document or whatever. It is an electronic document. However, the tough part would be for them to prove that you received it and were therefore notified.
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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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Countryside wrote:I'm thinking about holding a "not-gay pride white lives matter" parade...or would that be bigoted and racist?
It does seem everyone besides white people can claim they are discriminated against and have some "group" or mission. It seems that's all that's all the news lately, black lives matter, gay pride, Muslim's religious freedom, transgender rights etc etc.
I don't care what color you are, what religion, if you were born man or woman, die your hair green and purple as long as you don't try to push your lifestyle or beliefs down my throat and you follow the rules like everyone else. It seems everyone including the military now caters to everyone's religious dress code or appearance. If you can't shave for religious reasons then a job that has a dress code requiring you to shave isn't the job for you . It's called life and following the rules like everyone else.
Sorry got off subject but we as LTC holders follow the laws are play by the rules but it seems we are the only ones who are. With no one being held accountable for posting not valid signs it will continue. Once someone/someplace is fined and someone fired for allowing not valid signs being posted it won't stop.
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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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The 30.06 posted on the website says I should not enter this property while carrying concealed. Do they mean the virtual property of the website or are should I avoid the physical property where the website host server is located? ;-)

Gay Pride logic can be a little confusing to us non-members. :roll:
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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events

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I have no real plans to go to pride, because I am not a fan of sex toys and flag burnings. But that's probably not the point
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