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[Topbuilder]

Wasn't San Bernardino the beginning?

If you start with mohammad, the count is over 290 million. We are a lot closer to the end than the beginning.

[Topbuilder]

"Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts."

That's our guidelines here.

The reason we can't seem to adhere is because of our current place in in history. "The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast." Rev 13:3. The whole world is non stop Islam.... all the time.

This is why it should not be a topic here:
The majority of commenters don't know enough about their own Book much less their adversaries.
The Koran promises the death or submission of all Christians and Jews.
The Bible is pretty detailed about how all the peoples surrounding Israel (called heathens) will be punished (killed) or worship Jehovah. Just so happens every country/people mentioned for destruction is moslem.
Allah of the Koran is not Jehovah, God, of the Bible.
The mahdi of Islam is the antichrist of the Bible. Jesus Christ of Revelation is the dajjal of the Koran.

We will never get along or agree on this subject. Let's just walk away...

[cb1000rider]

I have been fortunate - I have met several "radical" muslims - I love them as brothers and sisters and will fight for their rights just like my own.
Its not the radicals that pose a threat.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same people.. There's another thread on here indicating that Islam isn't a religion of peace and that basically all of Islam poses a danger to the rest of us. That simply doesn't jive with what I've seen and what I understand about the main stream of that religion.

I think radicals of *any* religion pose a threat to society. To me, being radical is being willing to justify inhumane evil acts by some small section of religious text while completely ignoring the broader message. Those who have been willing to blindly follow men of "religion" who teach hatred and violence - they too are dangerous. Willingness to kill for a religious belief system isn't isolated to Islam.

If you were willing to accept the fact that all of Islam is a "threat" - it's actually a much bigger threat to other Muslims than it is to Americans.

The guy that did this thing in Florida was a violent man. He abused his wife. He was a homophobic lone wolf-style killer. After the fact, he justifies what he did by claiming alignment with ISIS, the Boston marathon bombers, and if I understand right, other groups that actually run counter to ISIS. Those claims allow him to continue to terrorize and divide the US after he's dead. Personally, I won't give him the satisfaction. He doesn't change my feelings on freedom of religion in the USA.

[TexasJohnBoy]

In before lock.

[Middle Age Russ]

When someone activates the trigger on their lead dispenser while it is pointed generally at you, the religion they claim to espouse is irrelevant -- they must simply be stopped RIGHT NOW. Many argue that the intolerance of the so-called Islamists is a huge issue, but then again we also see plenty of intolerance elsewhere, like with the Progressives.

[KLB]

Somehow, in all this anti-Muslim fervor, you've got to find room for the 1st Amendment protection of freedom of religion.

I agree. As a religion, Islam should get more respect than the Branch Davidians got. How much more is the question. Waco answers the question of what the Left would do if Christianity were the problem.

[Liberty]

His being a gay and a homophobe might have more to do with his motive than his Islamic roots.

Personally I am more concerned about the political and racial divisions in this country.. Their is an element of violence in the Trump and anti Trump sides. The LaRaza folks threaten violence against supporters . Black lives matter people talk about burning down our cities. And there are the "Bernie or Riot" folks who are talking about violent revolution if their candidate loses. ( Yeah he lost BTW ;)

Its got so bad that the Democrats are building a wall in Philadelphia to keep out the rioting mobs. This stuff spreads , and these people hate middle class working type people the most.

I am a child of the 60s ... I remember burning of our cities and bloody conflicts in our streets and blowing up of churches. I remember the massacres at our colleges. Today there is even more hatred between classes and distrust and hate of our government than ever before. . Political discussions no longer consider violence off the table. Yeah Islamic violence is only the tip of the iceburg.

[Topbuilder]

His being a gay and a homophobe might have more to do with his motive than his Islamic roots.

Personally I am more concerned about the political and racial divisions in this country.. Their is an element of violence in the Trump and anti Trump sides. The LaRaza folks threaten violence against supporters . Black lives matter people talk about burning down our cities. And there are the "Bernie or Riot" folks who are talking about violent revolution if their candidate loses. ( Yeah he lost BTW ;)

Its got so bad that the Democrats are building a wall in Philadelphia to keep out the rioting mobs. This stuff spreads , and these people hate middle class working type people the most.

I am a child of the 60s ... I remember burning of our cities and bloody conflicts in our streets and blowing up of churches. I remember the massacres at our colleges. Today there is even more hatred between classes and distrust and hate of our government than ever before. . Political discussions no longer consider violence off the table. Yeah Islamic violence is only the tip of the iceburg.

His being a gay and a homophobe might have more to do with his motive than his Islamic roots.

So the shouts of "allah is greater!" and commitments to ISIS were laying cover for his being homophobic? We now know he was gay himself... not sure that fits. Looks like a Occam's razor scenario.

[Liberty]

His being a gay and a homophobe might have more to do with his motive than his Islamic roots.

So the shouts of "allah is greater!" and commitments to ISIS were laying cover for his being homophobic? We now know he was gay himself... not sure that fits. Looks like a Occam's razor scenario.

I think being a homosexual and a homophobe would indicate that the guy didn't have his head screwed on right. His religion likely fed his homophobia, His being gay at the same time likely twisted hi brain up pretty bad.

[Jim Beaux]

Many refer to the Koran as if it is one book-it's not. As is the bible, there are several translations, and as with Christianity there are several different denominations-each having differences that cause angry disagreement. One thing I see- is though there are Muslims across the globe -the violence predominately comes from one area.

The Muslims I personally know are peaceful and respectful. Logic leads me to believe that terrorism is the product of a violent society/culture, not the religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_s ... d_branches

[Beiruty]

"Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts."

That's our guidelines here.

The reason we can't seem to adhere is because of our current place in in history. "The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast." Rev 13:3. The whole world is non stop Islam.... all the time.

This is why it should not be a topic here:
The majority of commenters don't know enough about their own Book much less their adversaries.
The Koran promises the death or submission of all Christians and Jews.
The Bible is pretty detailed about how all the peoples surrounding Israel (called heathens) will be punished (killed) or worship Jehovah. Just so happens every country/people mentioned for destruction is moslem.
Allah of the Koran is not Jehovah, God, of the Bible.
The mahdi of Islam is the antichrist of the Bible. Jesus Christ of Revelation is the dajjal of the Koran.

We will never get along or agree on this subject. Let's just walk away...

Wait a sec, Muslims believe in the return of Issa' ibn Mariam, that is Jesus the son of Marry. Why you did not mention that too? You did not mention, that Dajjal would be killed at the hands of Jesus peace be upon him. Thus, Dajjal is the Anti-Christ.

[JALLEN]

Somehow, in all this anti-Muslim fervor, you've got to find room for the 1st Amendment protection of freedom of religion. I am an evangelical Christian who finds great fault in Islamic theology, but will lay down my life for the right of a Muslim to peacefully practice his religion here.....as do more than one Muslim members of THIS forum....who are also pledged to protect my 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion.

There's a very good reason why the 2nd Amendment comes right after the 1st; but don't lose sight of the fact that the 1st IS first.....also for very good reasons....

I just got Sebastian Gupta's book Sunday and have read ~60% or so. He points out that

Islam is not a “religion” in the sense this term is commonly understood. It is a system encompassing all fields of living. Islam means politics, economics, legislation, science, humanism, health, psychology and sociology.

It is a mistake to view Islam as merely a religion.

[parabelum]

This is exactly what enemy wants us to do.
We ought not fall into the trap of divide and conquer methodology.

These scumbags are jihadis who would have my head on the chopping block along with Beiruty's.

The attack in Orlando was direct hit on LGBT and Latino community in particular.

Liberal morons, wake up! We, the pro 2A right wingers are your last hope if you want to keep your freedoms, and lives. We tried to warn and tell you these things for a very long time.

[Topbuilder]

"Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts."

That's our guidelines here.

The reason we can't seem to adhere is because of our current place in in history. "The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast." Rev 13:3. The whole world is non stop Islam.... all the time.

This is why it should not be a topic here:
The majority of commenters don't know enough about their own Book much less their adversaries.
The Koran promises the death or submission of all Christians and Jews.
The Bible is pretty detailed about how all the peoples surrounding Israel (called heathens) will be punished (killed) or worship Jehovah. Just so happens every country/people mentioned for destruction is moslem.
Allah of the Koran is not Jehovah, God, of the Bible.
The mahdi of Islam is the antichrist of the Bible. Jesus Christ of Revelation is the dajjal of the Koran.

We will never get along or agree on this subject. Let's just walk away...

Wait a sec, Muslims believe in the return of Issa' ibn Mariam, that is Jesus the son of Marry. Why you did not mention that too? You did not mention, that Dajjal would be killed at the hands of Jesus peace be upon him. Thus, Dajjal is the Anti-Christ.

Friend, I think I did cover that. "Jesus Christ of Revelation is the dajjal of the Koran."
I don't think I need to tell you your "Isa" is not the Son of God. The role of Isa in end time prophesy is not the role of "Messiah" in the Bible.
Your Isa Is not our Jesus. Nor will the imposter jesus kill the real Jesus. On that day every Moslem will gladly lay down his life because they believe it must happen. According to the bible, the vanquishing of Islam will be so complete, the language will never be spoken again.
The thing that must be asked is, is ISIS Muhammad's Islam or your Islam. According to prophesy, yours and mine, the Mahdi/antichrist will also follow Mohammad's Islam. Your Islam and my faith suffer the same fate under those rules.
Nothing I have said is intended out of dislike for you or the Moslem people. In my study of prophecy as it relates to where we are in present time, these are the conclusions you may never otherwise hear.