Ruark wrote:Reminds me of an incident a few years ago at a big mall parking lot. Some criminal (shoplifter, maybe a car thief) was blasting down between the rows of parked cars and slammed right over a woman who stepped out at the wrong moment. She was killed instantly, of course; he didn't even slow down or try to avoid hitting her. So if you see somebody smoking the tires and then you look down the row and there's an elderly person or a woman pushing a baby carriage.... well, that would be a split-second decision.
In any case, a lot of these incidents are (IMHO) prime examples of why the idea of unlicensed carry scares me.
Could you cite examples of where this has been an issue in so called "constitutional" carry states?
People, LTC or not, either choose to know and embrace the law or they don't.
Soccerdad1995 wrote:I'm reminded of an old saying. "Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do."
Employees chasing shoplifters while they are in a moving vehicle = dumb, and likely against company policy. Civilian deciding to get involved by using deadly force =
This reminds me of the recent story about the Mc Donalds manager who decided to block a car in because a kid stole a small cup of soda. Common sense ain't all that common, I guess.
Why? Story states shoplifters were ramming vehicles as they were driving off. It's possible they tried to run him over while he was in the parking lot and he shot out the tires instead of shooting at the driver and hitting bystanders. Too little information reported at this time to draw conclusions.
To shoot out the tires, you almost have to be to the side of the vehicle. That means you're not in danger of being run over.
Or you jumped off to the side before allowing yourself to be hit. They should clarify the story, but I'm sure surveillance will show he was probably just a bystander himself.
If you jumped off to the side, you are no longer under threat and no longer have justification for using deadly force.
Don't bet on that. It could cost you your life. That you would no longer be threatened would depend on the intent of the driver. I would bet that you cannot read the driver's mind.
Think about it.
What I wrote was never intended to be a "one size fits all" answer. It was an answer based on the information at hand... store employees are chasing thieves, thieves jump in car to escape, ramming into vehicles in the process, LTC holder tries to shoot out tire. There was nothing presented to even hint that the LTC holder was being targeted.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams
Soccerdad1995 wrote:I'm reminded of an old saying. "Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do."
Employees chasing shoplifters while they are in a moving vehicle = dumb, and likely against company policy. Civilian deciding to get involved by using deadly force =
This reminds me of the recent story about the Mc Donalds manager who decided to block a car in because a kid stole a small cup of soda. Common sense ain't all that common, I guess.
Why? Story states shoplifters were ramming vehicles as they were driving off. It's possible they tried to run him over while he was in the parking lot and he shot out the tires instead of shooting at the driver and hitting bystanders. Too little information reported at this time to draw conclusions.
To shoot out the tires, you almost have to be to the side of the vehicle. That means you're not in danger of being run over.
Or you jumped off to the side before allowing yourself to be hit. They should clarify the story, but I'm sure surveillance will show he was probably just a bystander himself.
If you jumped off to the side, you are no longer under threat and no longer have justification for using deadly force.
Don't bet on that. It could cost you your life. That you would no longer be threatened would depend on the intent of the driver. I would bet that you cannot read the driver's mind.
Think about it.
What I wrote was never intended to be a "one size fits all" answer. It was an answer based on the information at hand... store employees are chasing thieves, thieves jump in car to escape, ramming into vehicles in the process, LTC holder tries to shoot out tire. There was nothing presented to even hint that the LTC holder was being targeted.
I was only replying to your Hypothetical.
We are both correct. One size doesn't fit all.
Each incident has to be evaluated on its own circumstances and merits.
That is the reason we have to "Think about it"..
I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on.
I don't do those things to other people and I require the same of them.
Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he’ll just kill you.
It could cost you your life. That you would no longer be threatened would depend on the intent of the driver. I would bet that you cannot read the driver's mind.
