I guess it depends on the definition of "extensive". Other than their claim that they do "extensive" background checks, you have no evidence that they do.
My "knowledge" is based on the provable facts that they do not collect enough information to do more than a cursory background check... No references, no interview, no verification of employment (if you even submit any employer info), no address verification other than making sure it matches the ID submitted... And perhaps most telling, they don't NEED to do any of those things to meet the simple requirements of the statute, so why would they?
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Most of the information that is used is what is "self reported". Most of the discrepancies in my background check were related to a 20+ year old assault. They have not requested any information about where I have worked or lived in the past.ScottDLS wrote:I guess it depends on the definition of "extensive". Other than their claim that they do "extensive" background checks, you have no evidence that they do.
My "knowledge" is based on the provable facts that they do not collect enough information to do more than a cursory background check... No references, no interview, no verification of employment (if you even submit any employer info), no address verification other than making sure it matches the ID submitted... And perhaps most telling, they don't NEED to do any of those things to meet the simple requirements of the statute, so why would they?
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That is what my "knowledge" is based on. Your right, it does depend on the definition of "extensive" and may I add the "cursory" to that list. To me, cursory is the phone call that a FFL makes on the sale of a firearm. Extensive would be that they request information from multiple sources. One of the biggest obstacles is giving the applicants resident county sheriffs dept. 30 days to respond why they should be denied the LTC. It is my understanding that a whole lot of sheriffs dept. only respond to deny, they let the 30 day window expire if there is nothing found. It is also my understanding that they do not start the process until fingerprinting is received. Those coupled with the huge increase of applications would explain the great increase in the amount of time the process is taking. I do not know if having offices in D/FW, Houston and somewhere in W Texas would help but IMO it would be worth a try.ScottDLS wrote:I guess it depends on the definition of "extensive". Other than their claim that they do "extensive" background checks, you have no evidence that they do.
My "knowledge" is based on the provable facts that they do not collect enough information to do more than a cursory background check... No references, no interview, no verification of employment (if you even submit any employer info), no address verification other than making sure it matches the ID submitted... And perhaps most telling, they don't NEED to do any of those things to meet the simple requirements of the statute, so why would they?
However, I do not think the delays are caused by lazy employees.
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I agree that the "self reported" component is the most likely cause of delays. It's been 20 years since I did my original application, but having seen the new ones, I recommend that if you can truthfully answer a question without providing additional information then do so. Some people with self-reported medical issues have been denied when there didn't seem to be any justifiable legal reason. Most were overturned after protest and granted the LTC.domobro wrote:Most of the information that is used is what is "self reported". Most of the discrepancies in my background check were related to a 20+ year old assault. They have not requested any information about where I have worked or lived in the past.ScottDLS wrote:I guess it depends on the definition of "extensive". Other than their claim that they do "extensive" background checks, you have no evidence that they do.
My "knowledge" is based on the provable facts that they do not collect enough information to do more than a cursory background check... No references, no interview, no verification of employment (if you even submit any employer info), no address verification other than making sure it matches the ID submitted... And perhaps most telling, they don't NEED to do any of those things to meet the simple requirements of the statute, so why would they?
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"
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Oh and my 20+ year old assault, was self reported.
Electronic Application 2/10/2016
Supporting Documents 2/12/2016
CHL100 Uploaded 3/5/2016
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Supporting Documents 2/12/2016
CHL100 Uploaded 3/5/2016
Plastic in hand: