stay away from this product! Kore Essentials Belts

[The Annoyed Man]

This warning not to buy reminded me to buy.

I ordered a brown X2 belt & buckle, an extra black X2 belt, and a belt hanger.

Thanks for the reminder!

[winters]

Did you pay with your credit card? I would call the credit card company up and see what they can do. Long as your a good customer they will usually help you out. And you might even have insurance or extended return protection with it. People make fun of me because i don't pay with cash, but yet i have a lot more protection with my credit card than cash.

[dwsintxs]

It is my understanding that you do not trim the tongue end.
Here is a quick vid by The Yankee Marshal

I completely missed that in the OP.

I couldn't understand why he had problems threading the belt through the buckle.

The end of the belt that you trim is marked in inches to show you how much to trim off.

You DO NOT trim the tongue end.

I definitely trimmed the correct end. There is NO doubt about that.

[warnmar10]

I definitely trimmed the correct end. There is NO doubt about that.

That is you trimmed the end opposite the tongue end, per the instructions, but the tongue end is the one that is delaminating, correct?

Further, your contention is; even if you were using your non-gunbelt belt to secure your holster, the tongue end (which is under no load or strain once the belt is cinched) should not delaminate under any circumstances. Using a non-gunbelt belt might reasonably be expected to cause problems somewhere else on the belt but not at the tip of the tongue. Is that more or less it?

[WildBill]

It is my understanding that you do not trim the tongue end.
Here is a quick vid by The Yankee Marshal

I completely missed that in the OP.

I couldn't understand why he had problems threading the belt through the buckle.

The end of the belt that you trim is marked in inches to show you how much to trim off.

You DO NOT trim the tongue end.

I definitely trimmed the correct end. There is NO doubt about that.

Then It sounds like you received a defective belt. A dress or gun belt should not delaminate after a week or two of use.

I can not remember any belt that I have ever owned come apart like yours.

[Soccerdad1995]

Did you pay with your credit card? I would call the credit card company up and see what they can do. Long as your a good customer they will usually help you out. And you might even have insurance or extended return protection with it. People make fun of me because i don't pay with cash, but yet i have a lot more protection with my credit card than cash.

+1,000 on this. After the initial e-mail exchange, the next call would have been to Amex, or whoever issued the card.

I will not comment on the merits of this belt, other than to say that I would never buy any gun belt where the company is only claiming that it will hold up to 3 pounds of weight. A fully loaded 1911, holster, and a couple extra mags will easily exceed this weight, and I don't need a belt that I can only use for some weapons and not others.

[gljjt]

I would never do business with a company that says "please never contact us again." Regardless of the product, issues, who is right and who is wrong.

[Blaize4286]

I would never do business with a company that says "please never contact us again." Regardless of the product, issues, who is right and who is wrong.

I was thinking this same thing. I can not believe they said never contact us again.

[twomillenium]

Sometimes you run into people that are not satisfied unless you do exactly as they say, even if what they say makes no sense. That is when you say "never contact me again". If they have a group of Kool-Aid drinkers or followers, you are most likely better off if they do the same.

I thought about getting one myself. I think I will now, but I will get the one rated for gun carry. I use to work for folks who would buy a small KIA then complain it would not pull their travel trailer. (example)

[Soccerdad1995]

Sometimes you run into people that are not satisfied unless you do exactly as they say, even if what they say makes no sense. That is when you say "never contact me again". If they have a group of Kool-Aid drinkers or followers, you are most likely better off if they do the same.

Unless you run a business and actually want to make money.

Then you say, I am so sorry this product did not work for you. Let me offer you a full refund and you don't even need to send in the defective product.

You turn a person who will complain to as many people as they can find into someone who has nothing to complain about. That's worth the money you are out (roughly $30 cost assuming a 100% mark-up).

[The Annoyed Man]

This warning not to buy reminded me to buy.

I ordered a brown X2 belt & buckle, an extra black X2 belt, and a belt hanger.

Thanks for the reminder!

FWIW, I had the following email exchange with them:

To: info@KoreEssentials.com
Subject: Kore X2 Belt.

Hello,

I just purchased a brown X2 belt with an extra black belt and a hanger. I have a question…..

Your website says:

• These CCW (concealed carry weapon) belts are constructed using polyurethane reinforced, genuine leather for durability, style and strength. The belt is designed to carry light to medium weight firearms, or anything else you can holster, hang, or attach up to 2 lbs. (0.9 kg). Since there are no belt holes to stretch, wear out, or crease, this gun belt will hold up longer than a traditional gun belt. Our patented buckles are a high-grade zinc alloy, with a smooth gunmetal finish.

I have three different guns that I carry, depending on where I’m going and how long I’ll be gone, they are a Glock 17, Glock 19, and a Glock 43. I’m not worried about the G43, but the G19 weighs 2 oz under that 32 oz limit, and the G17 is right at that limit. Is that limit with reference to the holstered gun only, or does it also include carrying a spare magazine? I typically carry a spare magazine on my off side, whatever gun I carry, but I I would hate to think that the weight of a compact G19 prevents carrying a spare mag without damaging the gun.

Should I be concerned?

Best regards,

The Annoyed Man
Grapevine Texas
Order ID# XXXX

Their reply:

These belts are not for heavy duty use - but carrying a small to med weight firearm around town - dress or casual. The 3 lbs is a max. weight we recommend.

thanks
shawn

My reply, quoting their reply (above)

Hi Shawn,

So if I understand your 3 lb limit mentioned below correctly, then a loaded G17 plus a 7 oz backup magazine comes to 39.18 oz, which is 2.45 lb, and within that 3 lb limit. I am not LEO, but I do EDC a pistol with a spare magazine. Of the three pistols in my carry rotation, the G17 is the largest and heaviest. FYI, the all up weight of a G19 (the one I carry most often of the three) plus a spare magazine would be 36.71 oz, or 2.29 lb. The all up weight of my G43 plus a spare magazine is about 26.77 oz, or 1.67 lbs. Obviously, bullet weight will affect this, and I am using Glock’s weight figures off of their website, which I assume are based on a 115 grain bullet - which is probably the most common bullet weight used for a 9mm pistol, and is therefore only useful for guess-timation. I’m going to weigh my 3 guns with my actual carry ammo, to make sure I’m within your 3 lb limit. If it doesn’t work, then I’ll use your belts more rarely, for dressy occasions rather than EDC, and also get myself a heavier duty one for EDC. I guess I’m sounding a little obsessive about it, but the gunbelt I am replacing has lasted me 9 years (DM Bullard). It would last me longer yet because it is still in good condition (a DM Bullard “double thick” leather belt), but I’ve lost so much weight that I can’t add any more holes for the buckle because the belt is too long now. I was intrigued by your belt’s retention system and wanted to give it a try, since I still have a lot of weight to lose (have lost 89 lb so far, still have 70 to go) and your design seems more practical than punching new holes all the time.

I realize that you can’t account for all the different sizes and weights of pistols that people might carry, but I offer the above weight numbers as representative and potentially useful for demonstration purposes with your customers.

Best regards,

The Annoyed Man

On Apr 16, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Kore Essentials <info@koreessentials.com> wrote:

These belts are not for heavy duty use - but carrying a small to med weight firearm around town - dress or casual. The 3 lbs is a max. weight we recommend.

thanks
shawn

If it really isn't suitable for the G17 or G19, I'll use the X2 for dress up with my G43, and just buy another DM Bullard "Double Thick" Leather Belt for EDC. I don't mind having to do that so much because with all the weight I've lost, I don't really have a dress belt that still fits me, and even if I did, it wouldn't hold even the weight of a G43 because your typical dress belt isn't really suitable for carry purposes.

I'll report back if I receive a reply to my last communication to them, and I'll follow up with a carry report after I've gotten the X2s and worn them for a week or two.

[Right2Carry]

How is it the companies fault that the OP purchased a dress belt instead of the gun belt then used it for what it was not designed to do?

[TexasJohnBoy]

First - why in the world were you tucking into your waste band *without* a holster? Or did I read that wrong??

Second - https://www.magpul.com/products/tejas and you're good to go.

[MechAg94]

I don't understand the weight limit. Hefty guys sometimes need to cinch up their belts with or without guns. Sounds like a weak belt altogether.

[Soccerdad1995]

How is it the companies fault that the OP purchased a dress belt instead of the gun belt then used it for what it was not designed to do?

From what I have seen, I don't think it is the company's fault at all that the OP apparently bought the wrong belt.

I think it is the company's fault that they have no concept of customer service. Again just based on what the OP has posted.

Sometimes the best option from a company's perspective is to make it right for the customer even when the customer is at fault.