45ACP Score at Walmart!

[BobCat]

In Cowboy Action Shooting, they have a rule about "failure to do right" - it means that if you try to "game" the rules, even if you are technically within the rules, if the spirit of what you are doing is wrong - then you are wrong. I was always impressed with their view on this (and probably ought to give up the 3rd Sunday prone matchs to go back and shoot with the Cowboy shooters).

Sometimes though, looking around at the things people not only get away with but are rewarded for (I'm thinking of situations at work) - I find it easy to feel like a fool for behaving properly according to the way I was brought up. It does not change the way I behave, and maybe I should not feel foolish - thanks mrbug! - but sometimes I wonder where the line is, between behaving properly and being too strict.

HEMIzygote has more courage than I do. Going back to correct the mistake after the fact took guts.

Regards,
Andrew

[jbenat]

Reading your original post and the responses by other members here is why I have always been drawn back to this forum. It reeks with integrity! Several years ago my wife and I got our CHL's and naturally found this great forum. I haunt, lurk and sometimes post, in several forums but this is the one I always come back to.

[RubenZ]

The reason I didn't see anything wrong with what he originally did is because the BOXES were in FACT marked 2.89. Even if you TOLD the clerk it didn't seem right there is nothing he could have done. It's all electronically imputed from a higher up office. Wal-Mart has an AWESOME IT department but like anything with computers and humans entering data etc there can be mistakes and those mistakes are trickled down.

[Hoppes]

Bobcat the word you are searching for is integrity. Integrity is what you do when only you will know the difference. You either have it or you don't. I, for one, do not think you were a fool for pointing out the right thing.

Integrity = What you will do when nobody is watching.

Hoppes

[hi-power]

Bobcat the word you are searching for is integrity. Integrity is what you do when only you will know the difference. You either have it or you don't. I, for one, do not think you were a fool for pointing out the right thing.

Integrity = What you will do when nobody is watching.

Hoppes

I like J.C. Watts' quote:

Character is doing the right thing when no one is watching.

[Hoppes]

Bobcat the word you are searching for is integrity. Integrity is what you do when only you will know the difference. You either have it or you don't. I, for one, do not think you were a fool for pointing out the right thing.

Integrity = What you will do when nobody is watching.

Hoppes

I like J.C. Watts' quote:

Character is doing the right thing when no one is watching.

Absolutely! In the world we live in today, "spin" seems to be acceptable. It's just not to me though.

Hoppes

[BobCat]

Ok, if this is too off-topic the Moderator will delete it or tell me to delete it.

Suppose you buy a candy bar from a vending machine and find more change in the change slot than the machine "owes" you. Do you take the extra change, or do you take only the correct amount and leave the rest? If you leave the rest, who does it belong to? The next person who finds it, the vending company, of the person who forgot to take his change and left it there in the first place?

RubenZ pointed out that the boxes of .45 ACP were mis-marked - nobody switched stickers, it was a computer error probably attributable to someone mis-keying the price. Switching the stickers would clearly be stealing. Paying the marked price, knowing it is incorrect (too low) is not exactly stealing, but may be opportunistic. I think we all agree that pointing out the error is the right thing to do, but need to understand that when we do the right thing, we do it for ourselves - for our own self-respect - not for the store, or for the greater good of mankind.

I have a problem taking the extra change, only because I know it is not mine. In reality I think this is silly - the person it belongs to is not coming back for it so the next person who finds it, takes it. If I find a wallet it will have some ID in it so I can find the actual owner. If I find a dollar bill on the sidewalk, I can not find the owner. When I was a kid there was a saying, "finders keepers, loosers weepers" to cover these kinds of situations.

Anyway, I think you are a great bunch of people and I'm glad to be associated with you. This is not a discussion most people would put up with - it would be brushed off, laughed at, and subjected to cynical, disparaging comments.

Regards,
Andrew

[QB]

I found a purse in the middle of the street one day. Appeared that someone put it on the roof of their car to open the door then drove off and when they turned out of the shopping center the purse fell off. I looked in the billfold and found the drivers license. The address was in my neighborhood so I drove to the house and knocked on the door.

A lady answered the door, I told her I found her purse. She said something like she was in a rush to leave the grocery store because she was late for her daughter's birthday party and just realized she lost it. She then just took it from my hands and shut the door in my face. Never said thanks or really acknowledged my effort in any way. (by the way, the lady WAS the same as the picture on the drivers license).

That purse had tons of credit cards, insurance cards, and lots of cash in the billfold. I didn't take a thing.

And I left that house wishing I had just burned the entire purse up and all it's contents so that she'd have to cancel all her cards, get a new license, etc.

Would I do it again? Actually, to be honest, if it was that same lady, NO, I'd burn it!!!! I will NEVER forget this lady's actions. But anyone else, sure I'd return it if I could find them.

[gregthehand]

I'm kind of riding the fence on this one. Wal-Mart RUINS certain businesses, and is one of the biggest companies in the world. I just can't feel bad for getting over on them if it was THEIR FAULT.

[Hoppes]

I found a purse in the middle of the street one day. Appeared that someone put it on the roof of their car to open the door then drove off and when they turned out of the shopping center the purse fell off. I looked in the billfold and found the drivers license. The address was in my neighborhood so I drove to the house and knocked on the door.

A lady answered the door, I told her I found her purse. She said something like she was in a rush to leave the grocery store because she was late for her daughter's birthday party and just realized she lost it. She then just took it from my hands and shut the door in my face. Never said thanks or really acknowledged my effort in any way. (by the way, the lady WAS the same as the picture on the drivers license).

That purse had tons of credit cards, insurance cards, and lots of cash in the billfold. I didn't take a thing.

And I left that house wishing I had just burned the entire purse up and all it's contents so that she'd have to cancel all her cards, get a new license, etc.

Would I do it again? Actually, to be honest, if it was that same lady, NO, I'd burn it!!!! I will NEVER forget this lady's actions. But anyone else, sure I'd return it if I could find them.

QB,


I know how you feel since you made an honest effort to get the purse back to the owner. However, I don't know the lady and obviously, you probably didn't either until you gave her purse back.

Although you didn't take her purse by force initially, you returned it and had it in your hand, and she was eager to get it back. I wouldn't have slammed the door in your face, but I know a lot of ladies of various ages that might be scared in such a situation. Some are even off the wall frightened when people come knocking that they don't know.

It's hard to say what she was thinking too. I wouldn't worry about it too much. I would not burn the purse either if it happened again. Since I intended on just getting it back to her, I wouldn't ask for anything. But that's just me. You and others might think this through differently.


I admire you for returning it to her. Thank you.

Hoppes

[mrbug]

No good deed goes unpunished. I spend a major part of my working life driving around town. If I had a dollar for every time I slowed down to let someone in ahead of me or stopped to allow someone to pull out into the street ahead of me I could afford quite an armory. Some have waved a thank you, some have mouthed a thank you, many have failed to acknowledge my gesture at all, and a select few have given me a contemptuous hand salute. Whether it was with thanks, without thanks, or rudely getured to no acknowlegement can either add or detract from what I did. I did what I felt was right in my soul. The only living creature on Earth who can diminish what is good and honorable in me is myself.

How we conduct ourselves defines us. At the end of the day we answer to ourselves. At the end of our days we answer to God.