H.E.B. and their reason for no open carry

[GlassG19]

As someone mentioned before, I enjoyed H.E.B., but now, my money goes to Kroger, literally across the street.

is it fair to take it from that statement that your intention is to predominantly open carry? I only ask because HEB indicated that CC was welcome in their stores which would leave me thinking they are Pro 2A.

If given an equal option of "half pro 2A" or "full pro 2A" i'll default to full.

Except that the phrase "half pro 2A" is a meaningless creation of OCT and Carry Texas. It's a feeble attempt to cast aspersions when they are unwarranted. It's a classic OCT/CT tactic.

Chas.

I think you miss the point entirely. If open carry is my preferred method, why would I not do business with a company that allows me to do that?

Why would I go against my preferred carry method to reward a company that tells me I can't?

That makes no sense at all.

I didn't miss anything and your point was to falsely claim HEB is "half pro 21A." That's nothing but a shorthand version of "if you don't support everything I want, then you are anti-gun." It's the line OCT/Grisham/Carry Texas/Holcomb used during the failed campaign to kill licensed open-carry and pass unlicensed open-carry.

I couldn't care less where you shop; just don't denigrate a pro-gun company on our Forum.

Chas.

I simply disagree with you that they are completely pro gun. Is that a bannable offense?

It's not about guns with HEB, it's about selling groceries. HEB is pro gun. They don't care if you carry your gun as long as they don't think it negatively impacts their business. Thanks to OCT and friends, they perceive that OC will negatively impact business. CC or shop elsewhere, your choice, but man, I can't believe we are wrapped around the axle on this. There are more important items to expend energy on. If a pro gun forum is this contentious on the subject, HEB is probably right with their decision as the 96% of the population without a CHL likely can't be any less contentious.........

Well put.

[Distinguished Rick]

I just read an article on Breitbart Texas and the owner of HEB is a huge liberal. He is the 4th richest person in Texas. We need to knock him down on that list next year by taking your shopping elsewhere. He is for sacuary cities and of course anti OC. You can still CC in HEB but even with that I am done with them.

[Rhino1]

While he may be a "huge liberal", I don't necessarily think those two positions make him so. While i am vehemently opposed to illegal immigration and sanctuary cities, (unfortunately) many businesses are not (can you say cheap labor). The Chamber of Commerce falls into this category. Also as stated by most (92% in Charles' survey on property rights) on this forum, prohibition of OC within a private business does not translate to Anti 2A except by the OCT fringe crowd.

[CleverNickname]

I believe in a half 2A supporter being a thing. They are restricting you so they aren't completely pro gun. If you correlate it to the freedom of speech, it's like saying you can talk, but you can't talk loudly. Or you can talk but you can't whisper in here. There is no difference between concealing a gun into HEB, and carrying it openly. Either way you have your legally owned firearm in the store. The difference is the company is keeling over to the panicky moms that think every person with a gun is gonna shoot them, and if they see a man with a gun they are gonna be shot. If a LEO can open carry into HEB, why can't a license holder. The background checks for both are the same, the only difference is the polygraph test that leo's take in most areas.

Your speech analogy doesn't really work. If you took a megaphone to HEB and started talking on it, I imagine you would be invited to leave rather quickly.

[zero4o3]

I believe in a half 2A supporter being a thing. They are restricting you so they aren't completely pro gun. If you correlate it to the freedom of speech, it's like saying you can talk, but you can't talk loudly. Or you can talk but you can't whisper in here. There is no difference between concealing a gun into HEB, and carrying it openly. Either way you have your legally owned firearm in the store. The difference is the company is keeling over to the panicky moms that think every person with a gun is gonna shoot them, and if they see a man with a gun they are gonna be shot. If a LEO can open carry into HEB, why can't a license holder. The background checks for both are the same, the only difference is the polygraph test that leo's take in most areas.

Your speech analogy doesn't really work. If you took a megaphone to HEB and started talking on it, I imagine you would be invited to leave rather quickly.

I was going to go the Library route with the speech analogy but the megaphone works also

[suthdj]

Look either you support them or you dont, you shop there or dont. Only one impacted is YOU. Bickering back an forth is useless.

[parabelum]

My point on this was to take your money elsewhere, but that's just me.

Now, I think that with all these fresh fascist ideas that this moron in the WH wants to superimpose on us, we have bigger issues coming in 2016 then H.E.B.

[mr1337]

Am I the only one on here that doesn't care if businesses post 30.07, so long as they don't post 30.06? I don't necessarily see 30.07 as anti-gun. I see it as a measure to shut up the wet blankets at MDA while still allowing lawfully licensed citizens to defend themselves (concealed) in their store.

[mojo84]

My point on this was to take your money elsewhere,but that's just me.

Now, I think that with all these fresh fascist ideas that this moron in the WH wants to superimpose on us, we have bigger issues coming in 2016 then H.E.B.

Isn't that telling someone else what to do with their money and where to shop?

Also, in response to previous posts, Charles Butt's position on several other issues confirm he is a bleeding heart liberal. I disagree with him vehemently on those issues. However, from a business standpoint, I do not mind honoring HEB's position with regard to open carry.

[parabelum]

My point on this was to take your money elsewhere,but that's just me.

Now, I think that with all these fresh fascist ideas that this moron in the WH wants to superimpose on us, we have bigger issues coming in 2016 then H.E.B.

Isn't that telling someone else what to do with their money and where to shop?

Also, in response to previous posts, Charles Butt's position on several other issues confirm he is a bleeding heart liberal. I disagree with him vehemently on those issues. However, from a business standpoint, I do not mind honoring HEB's position with regard to open carry.

...and I said, "but that's just me"....

Anyway, I think we are beating a dead horse here.
Those who want to go there and spend their money there can do just that, that's the great thing about this country.
Those who see this move in a different light, will go elsewhere.

Speaking strictly for me now, I didn't come 5500 miles from a h... hole where rights were suppressed only to be deaf and blind to a slow crawling encroachment upon my rights. I have seen this tyrannical metastasis before, and you can count me out.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm going with my gut (literally and figuratively) on this one.

[JALLEN]

With so many anxious to take their money elsewhere, maybe there is an opportunity.

Hows about someone start a grocery company, sell stock to the anti HEB crowd, and get busy scouting locations and building stores?

It took HEB 110 years to get where it is, with ~350 stores, and several being built now.

An example is Walmart. Sam Walton refused to have union labor. The unions have done everything they can think of to break Walmart's obstinance, but still it persists, and is now the biggest retail corporation in the world.