Pitbull Attacks Lab

[player_twister]

After watching this video, I looked at my dog, and gave her a BIG HUG. I know what I would have done if my dog were being attacked like in this video. That dog attacking would be history.

BUT, what if I were a bystander. Seeing how bad this poor Lab was attacked, well I don't know. I am currious what some of you would have done.

http://www.bigducky.com/videos/gross_ex ... ks-lab.htm

[badkarma56]

That was a tough video. I've seen animals "snap" before, and go into an uncontrollable frenzy once they've tasted blood. Dogs are notorious for going nuts around flocks of sheep, much worse than coyotes by the way. I'm sure some others on this board have seen this too, should something like this occur, you've basically got three choices: 1)bear witness to the carnage and hope you aren't next, 2) turn and "get thyself some yonder," or 3) neutralize the aggressor by whatever means you've got. In a metaphorical kind of way, sociopathic humans are capable of the same types of rampages (see Mr. Cho from the Va. Tech incident for a recent example of this)...the same three choices apply there too.

From looking at that video, if I were armed and present, I would have downed the pit bull via gun shot. Make no mistake, I love animals, especially dogs. However, considering my past experiences, my stated reaction would have been automatic.

[WarHawk-AVG]

The officer in my CHL course laid it out "NO bull"

1. Have you ever tried to kill a dog..its DAMN hard
2. Have you ever seen two dogs fight, they are all over the dang place
3. How would you explain to the lady down the street that your richochete trying to defend your animal killed her little Suzy playing in the front yard, or to the grand jury?
4. Is that dog worth the risk of killing innocent bystanders?
5. What the hell were you thinking just blasting rounds off like that?

If it was a child hell yes, a dog...its hard to determine, however some people treat their dogs as thier children

It would be very difficult to handle..but would a jury find you negligent and put you in prison?

Tazer/pepper spray would be much much more effective than blasting away, but yes...the movie makes my blood boil something fierce

[PAR]

The officer in my CHL course laid it out "NO bull"

1. Have you ever tried to kill a dog..its darn hard
2. Have you ever seen two dogs fight, they are all over the dang place
3. How would you explain to the lady down the street that your richochete trying to defend your animal killed her little Suzy playing in the front yard, or to the grand jury?
4. Is that dog worth the risk of killing innocent bystanders?
5. What the heck were you thinking just blasting rounds off like that?

If it was a child heck yes, a dog...its hard to determine, however some people treat their dogs as thier children

It would be very difficult to handle..but would a jury find you negligent and put you in prison?

Tazer/pepper spray would be much much more effective than blasting away, but yes...the movie makes my blood boil something fierce

Did you watch the video because that was not a fast acting fight, as I've seen in the past - plenty of opportunity to take him down.

[Paladin]

The officer in my CHL course laid it out "NO bull"

1. Have you ever tried to kill a dog..its darn hard
2. Have you ever seen two dogs fight, they are all over the dang place
3. How would you explain to the lady down the street that your richochete trying to defend your animal killed her little Suzy playing in the front yard, or to the grand jury?
4. Is that dog worth the risk of killing innocent bystanders?
5. What the heck were you thinking just blasting rounds off like that?

If it was a child heck yes, a dog...its hard to determine, however some people treat their dogs as thier children

It would be very difficult to handle..but would a jury find you negligent and put you in prison?

Tazer/pepper spray would be much much more effective than blasting away, but yes...the movie makes my blood boil something fierce

I agree with you that many times pepper spray is a better option than shooting. Pepper spray is a great first option when only one dog of reasonable size is attacking. But I've got quite a bit of experience with dog attacks and I just don't agree with your instructors advice.

1. Dogs are fast moving and can be very difficult to hit when in a furball; this does not mean that they are hard to kill. Dogs are significantly LESS likely to survive a gunshot wound than people.

2. If you're going to hit 'Suzy' down the street you almost certainly need more practice... the difficulty in dog attack is hitting the dog you're shooting at and not hitting whoever/whatever the dog is attacking. That's your main issue. You may need contact shot. It can be easier to shoot a dog early rather than wait till the attacking dog is fully engaged.

3. Accidentally hitting an innocent bystander is more of a risk of a lawsuit than jail time. Did you instructor give you any examples of somebody who went to jail in such a case? I can't think of anybody.

4. IF a dog is on the loose and attacking my dog... I would assume that I'm next. There are millions of dog attacks each year and several people die each year from dog attacks. There's no time to waste in protecting MY safety. You can't outrun a healthy fullsize dog.

[RubenZ]

OMG that video is just sickening. Why oh why do we have sooooo many people unwilling to help. It is amazing.


What I would have done:


1.) I'm not affraid of dogs. I'm a human, I am a far superior species.


With that being said if it was a fast moving fight and I could not easily aim AND my truck was nearby I would pull out the 8" KaBar knife I have in my truck and slice the throat of that Pitbull. Or just stab it till my hand got tired. Sorry for the bloodlust here but I'm just so mad after watching that. Heck I even have a Machete in my truck that probably would have been used. I just don't get it. probably 20 people watching that poor lab and only 1 had the guts to do anything.

Seeing that Video, there were plenty of oppurtunties to stick a few 230grain JHP in him.

[PAR]

Not to pick on one breed but:

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/local_sta ... ryid=86961

[Quick6]

If it were my dog, the pit would get as many .45 hollow points as I had with me until he stopped his attack or his breathing. No second thoughts.

As I sit here typing this, I can't say definitively what I would do if I were simply a witness. I've changed my mind a couple of times. Infuriating.

[DSARGE]

I was walking my two (Catahoula-Lexie and Blue Heeler-Cody) one afternoon, and I was carrying. Some kids were running out of a house to my right, and I heard them screaming "Snowflake...NOOO", then I turned to see Snowflake--about 70 pounds of irritated bolting at us out the front door. Snowflake jumped on Cody and it was nasty. I was kicking him and trying to get away to no avail. I turned both the leashes loose, and Lexie got his hind end and started pulling backward as Cody was pinning his head to the ground. I got "Snowflake" by the throat and held his mouth shut which made my usually non-aggressive dogs even worse. We got them seperated and Snowflake back in the house. It was a mess with fur and blood everywhere but no serious injuries. Kids were crying, and the mother was freaking out. All animals were current on vaccinations, we shook hands, and that was that.
POINT: My first reflex was to reach for my pistol as my adrenaline was going. I am glad I didn't shoot that dog in front of the kids, as the dog was probably protecting them in his mind. I had no thought of myself being harmed as I will scrap it out to save my dogs. I didn't shoot and a bad situation ended peacefully. Looking in hindsight, I could not have gotten a clear shot without endangering my dogs or the kids. I think a swift kick and pressure in the right spot will stop any dog. They can't stay locked on with no air!

[Thane]

Were I a witness, I can't say what I'd do, unless the dog actively went for another target. Then, it'd be dead.

If the dog went after one of my pets, either in my own yard or while I was out with that pet, it'd be dead. Period. I went after a rottweiler that attempted to attack one of my cats in my own backyard about eight or nine years ago; it only survived because it ran faster than I could. His owners were quite surprised at the young teen who chewed them out for allowing the dog to roam, and who threatened to kill the animal if it ever entered my yard again.
I give 'em credit, that dog was never allowed out without a leash again.
(BTW, that dog had a history of doing this - it attempted to "run off" and intimidate my father, in his own front yard a week or two before this incident, and had been aggressive with others as well.)

[Venus Pax]

I would definitely protect one of my pets.

[RubenZ]

I think a swift kick and pressure in the right spot will stop any dog. They can't stay locked on with no air!

Exactly. I don't know why there is this big fear of pitbulls and bigger dogs. Dogs are Dogs. There is no special "LOCK JAW" that people say PitBulls have etc.

[ELB]

Dog (or whatever) attacks any of my animals, I will do what I can to protect my critters -- pepper spray, knife, shot to the head, whatever. I have successfully run off dogs chasing my horses with shouting and a bit of chasing...if they were more serious about it, I would take a shot. Of course, I don't have a neighbor's house in the middle of my corral.

For a dog that's locked onto mine, wading in and putting the muzzle to his head or spine - I can see that.

It appears to me that's what happened in this case:



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Pit bulls attack man's dog, one shot and killed



By ALICE WALLACE

Sun staff writer
July 31. 2007 6:01AM

http://www.gainesville.com/article/2007 ... 15/-1/news


A Gainesville man awoke to the sounds of a dog fight early Monday. When he walked outside, he found his dog locked in the jaws of a large pit bull.

"I'm sound asleep and my wife says there's a dog fight in the yard," said Fletcher Sutton, 58. "And within 90 seconds I find myself standing in the yard in my bathrobe with a knife in one hand, a gun in the other and a dog dead between my legs."

Sutton and his grandson, Robert Koehler, 16, reacted quickly when they found their 110-pound Labrador-Mastiff mix being attacked by two pit bulls, the larger of which had clamped down on the dog's neck.

"We tried to beat him off, we tried to kick him off, and it was like it was to the death," Sutton said.

Lt. Scott Meffen with the Gainesville Police Department said they arrived at the home, 2415 SE 11th Ave., around 7:30 a.m. Monday to find a large black pit bull shot twice in the head. Sutton's dog had wounds to his neck and two front legs from the fight.

"(The pit bull) had a collar on it but no tag, so it doesn't look like we've identified the owner," Meffen said.

Meffen said Sutton and Koehler told police they first tried to get the pit bulls to let go of their dog by stabbing them with a pocket knife. But when that didn't make any difference, Koehler went inside and got his grandfather's .22-caliber revolver and Sutton shot the dog in the head.

The smaller, brown pit bull ran away once the shots were fired and police had not located the dog as of late Monday.

Sutton said it appeared the dogs slipped through the slats on the aluminum gate around the pasture in back of his house in order to reach his dog.

And he said the black pit bull he shot did not look like a family pet.

"This was a pit bull fighting dog. He had scars all over his face," he said. "It wasn't just a generic incident. This dog was out to kill something this morning."

Sutton said he had seen the smaller of the two pit bulls wandering around his neighborhood off of Hawthorne Road, but he had never seen the black one.

"You don't need these dogs," Sutton said of pit bulls. "There's no sense in them. You do everything you can to protect your animal and protect your property, and then something like this happens."

Last week, an Interlachen woman had to be rushed to the hospital and received 900 stitches after her pet pit bull bit her on the face while she was lying on her living room floor playing with the dog.

Amanda Boyles, 19, was released from the hospital the next day, and police reported that the dog had never shown aggression in the past. That dog was euthanized Friday at the request of the owners.

Alice Wallace can be reached at 352-338-3109 or alice.wallace@gvillesun.com.

[shootthesheet]

I would never risk the life of any person to defend an animal that is being attacked by another animal. I would not risk my families welfare in order to stop animals from doing what animals do to each other. If I were able to kill the attacker without any chance of harm to another person or other property then I would consider shooting. Even pets are nothing more than animals and not equal in any way to the value of one human life or even possibly injuring one person or their property. They are certainly not worth losing everything I own and my rights in order to save. A large stick or bat or even machete would be okay if it was my pet. No firearms at all. Especially in a populated area such as in the video.

[portsider44]

DOn't think I would have pulled my gun to protect the poor lab or a even a child.

Just too many things that you can't contorl. Could you really be sure that the bullet would not over penetrate or ricochet off of bone & hurt an unintended target.

I think the pepper srpay or putting a kabar/pocket knife behind the front leg would be the safest way to go. Hoping you could take out the lungs/heart. All the while being prepared to me the next victim of the agressor.

If the dog locked on me survial would kick in & pulling my gun would not be out of question.