What about Mumbai? What about Paris?

[ELB]

I found this interesting and I think useful: https://marcuswynne.wordpress.com/2015/ ... ost-paris/

It is based on the Paris attacks, but the overall strategy and many of the tactics used were used in Mumbai, Nairobi, Mali, now Paris, no doubt in other attacks, and no doubt used again in the future.

[VMI77]

And I've tried and tested Magpul's 40-round magazines. Have 'em loaded to 38 rounds. Several of them.

A friend of mine showed me one of these surefire 60 round mags that he keeps in his AR case in the car: http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifl ... 42026.aspx. They are really proud of those things, but he says they work really well. Personally, I think that whatever you gain over a couple of 30 round mags, you lose in gun-handling ease.

The extra weight really unbalances the gun. With the AK I've found that without being braced even with standard 30 round mags the extra weight of the metal mags reduces my accuracy out past 60 yards or so.

[Jago668]

I found this interesting and I think useful: https://marcuswynne.wordpress.com/2015/ ... ost-paris/

It is based on the Paris attacks, but the overall strategy and many of the tactics used were used in Mumbai, Nairobi, Mali, now Paris, no doubt in other attacks, and no doubt used again in the future.

That was an interesting read. Thank you for posting it.

[The Annoyed Man]

I found this interesting and I think useful: https://marcuswynne.wordpress.com/2015/ ... ost-paris/

It is based on the Paris attacks, but the overall strategy and many of the tactics used were used in Mumbai, Nairobi, Mali, now Paris, no doubt in other attacks, and no doubt used again in the future.

That was an interesting read. Thank you for posting it.

[Redneck_Buddha]

In Mumbai I visited a ton of the sites that were attacked in Colaba. Leopold Cafe is a sitting duck right on a corner with two wide, wide open entrances near either side of the corner. All the terrorists had to do was waltz in and start blasting. Even if there were concealed carry in India, it would strictly be the luck of the draw if you could brandish your weapon, and even then the attack was absolutely overwhelming and sudden. My waiter had some serious scar tissue on one of his arms, but I didn't ask him if he was there during the attack. I'm sure he was. Going into the Starbucks attached to the Taj hotel was interesting, as there was a metal detector and a complete bag and camera search. For a number of reasons, I never quite acclimated during my 10 days there.

[Dave2]

In Mumbai I visited a ton of the sites that were attacked in Colaba. Leopold Cafe is a sitting duck right on a corner with two wide, wide open entrances near either side of the corner. All the terrorists had to do was waltz in and start blasting.

Well, yeah, but if they arrange things so that the terrorists can't "just waltz in and start blasting", then their customers can't just waltz in and start buying.

Staying in business kinda requires stores & restaurants to have lax security, at least in terms of not restricting access to your public facilities.

I think... I'm not a security expert.

[Redneck_Buddha]

In Mumbai I visited a ton of the sites that were attacked in Colaba. Leopold Cafe is a sitting duck right on a corner with two wide, wide open entrances near either side of the corner. All the terrorists had to do was waltz in and start blasting.

Well, yeah, but if they arrange things so that the terrorists can't "just waltz in and start blasting", then their customers can't just waltz in and start buying.

Staying in business kinda requires stores & restaurants to have lax security, at least in terms of not restricting access to your public facilities.

I think... I'm not a security expert.

Forgot to mention that Leopold's has two armed guards at each door now. Not sure if they are private or government.

[VMI77]

In Mumbai I visited a ton of the sites that were attacked in Colaba. Leopold Cafe is a sitting duck right on a corner with two wide, wide open entrances near either side of the corner. All the terrorists had to do was waltz in and start blasting.

Well, yeah, but if they arrange things so that the terrorists can't "just waltz in and start blasting", then their customers can't just waltz in and start buying.

Staying in business kinda requires stores & restaurants to have lax security, at least in terms of not restricting access to your public facilities.

I think... I'm not a security expert.

Metal detectors are pretty much useless when it comes to a Mumbai style attack. When someone comes in guns blazing a metal detector is irrelevant.

[Excaliber]

My "out and about in the country" carry practice of a 1911 and two spare 8 round mags is still the same, but Obama's terrorist facilitation project requires some adjustments.

When I go to cities or places with crowds now I go with a hi-cap 9mm and at least 46 rounds in case I find myself in a multi attacker situation.

[Skiprr]

My "out and about in the country" carry practice of a 1911 and two spare 8 round mags is still the same, but Obama's terrorist facilitation project requires some adjustments.

When I go to cities or places with crowds now I go with a hi-cap 9mm and at least 46 rounds in case I find myself in a multi attacker situation.

Interesting consideration.

My carry kit as a civilian has always been based upon the stat that the vast majority of deadly-force encounters happen at 15 feet or less. My BUG and blade can be useful in EQCB. Worth little or nothing at active-shooter distances.

Statistically, being involved in an active-shooter or terrorist-assault scenario is far less likely than being struck by lighting.

But it happened in Paris. And ISIS promises it again.

Do you adjust your type/method of carry?

[AJSully421]

My EDC is a G19 and one spare 17 round mag. I wear slacks and a tucked in polo, so that is as much as I can get away with. My evenings & weekends rig is a G17 and two spare mags. Another G17 in a Safariland ALS under the dash, and an AR and 8 mags under the back seat.

But I am just a crazy right winger....

[The Annoyed Man]

But it happened in Paris. And ISIS promises it again......

And that is at the heart of it, isn't it?

Like you, in "normal" times, I don't feel particularly under-armed with a single-stack pistol and a total of 15-20 rounds available on hand. There's that famous old statistic that says only 3-5 rounds are fired in a typical exchange of gunfire in the civilian world, and I'll admit right up front that I can't find any documentation of that, so it may be apocryphal. In any case, if there is any option available to urgently decamp for parts more distant with less lead pollution in the air, I intend to make use of it. So I've always tried to find the balance between number of rounds I can comfortably carry (and therefore will carry), and the number of rounds necessary to win a protracted gunfight. I used to only put an AR or a shotgun in the car if I was traveling any kind of longer distances, and my premise was that it would be nearby at hand, and so I still didn't have to carry a lot of pistol rounds on body.

But, given that ISIS could try some shenanigans inside our homeland, and if they do there is no reason why Texas should be immune, and in keeping with that old dictum that a handgun is for fighting your way back to the long gun you should have never put down, I don't leave the house that often without an AR anymore. And where it isn't convenient to bring it along, I carry a third 19 round magazine and three 33 rounders for the G17 in my daypack.

I also might pickup a Kel-Tec Sub-2000 9mm carbine, which doesn't weigh much, will fit in my daypack, and takes the Glock magazines. It has two advantages...... [1] if an LEO wants to confiscate it, I'm not out that much money, as opposed to losing my AR which would put me out well over $2K; and [2] the extra 12" of barrel will give quite a bit more hitting power for a 9mm. Either that, or get myself a junky AR carbine that I won't mind losing too much.....like an inexpensive basic patrol carbine, for instance.

[Terlingueno]

I used to carry a Colt Government or Commander and two extra mags. After a lot of thought, and a large uptick in illegal alien and drug cartel activity here, I now carry the Glock 19 and two extra mags. And, like TAM, I always have an AR carbine in the truck when I go somewhere.

[ELB]

In Mumbai I visited a ton of the sites that were attacked in Colaba. Leopold Cafe is a sitting duck right on a corner with two wide, wide open entrances near either side of the corner. All the terrorists had to do was waltz in and start blasting.

Well, yeah, but if they arrange things so that the terrorists can't "just waltz in and start blasting", then their customers can't just waltz in and start buying.

...

The Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai had exactly this "waltzing" dilemma prior to the attack. Because of its fame and the types of guests is attracted, it was already on everybody's list of likely targets. Security experts and police had recommended a number of changes, one of them going to a single, well guarded and screened entry and exit point for guests. The hotel resisted this for exactly the reasons given above -- it would greatly inconvenience the guests and intrude on the experience. They did up their security a bit, and had a reasonably well-trained -- but unarmed -- security staff, but they did not want to become a "fortress."

This had two consequences, one obvious, one not so obvious. Obviously it made it easy for the armed terrorists to enter, but the non-obvious consequence was that it also made it easy for unarmed terrorists to carefully scout the hotel before hand. An American citizen with Pakistani father and American mother -- and blond hair and Caucasian features -- was used to reconnoiter the hotel, and his reports and pictures were used to build a map to train the strike team with. He was able to roam the hotel pretty much at will even though he was not a guest there. When the attack kicked off, the terrorists in the hotel knew almost every nook and cranny of it. Unfortunately, the police had not been so diligent, and they were largely ignorant of the layout of the place -- it took quite a bit of time for them to obtain floor plans once the attack started.

Btw, these two books:
The Siege: 68 Hours Inside the Taj Hotel
Pakistan and the Mumbai Attacks: The Untold Story
have a lot of info on the Mumbai attacks. I think the first one is by far the better of the two, but the second one has some information not included in the first one. Lots of similarities with the Nairobi and Paris attacks, which gives you food for thought for how to handle being in one of these events.

[chuck j]

I worry more about the local scum /drugheads . Still just carrying a 380 pocket LCP with an extra mag . I wouldn't be a real player in a serious extended fire fight . Occasionaly carry an old school CZ 82 , old school soviet milsurp cast off but I'm pretty good with the old 9x18 MAK . LOL , as Walter Brennan said .............no brag , just fact . I pray myself and my daughter never encounter the 'radical' Mideastern folks , your talkin serious crap comin down with these folks , another fact .