A video demonstrating the 21 ft rule

[Glockster]

This can't be true. I've seen hundreds of bad guys attacking a trained accomplished Aikido master,

You just need proper technique.

Well that is about .00013 of the population... chl is for regular people, not lifelong devotees of "the" arts.

I guess Glockster isn't "regular people".
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I know that was offered tongue in cheek but it does bring up a good point. Martial artists are just like anyone else in that they get older and with that, at the very least, slower. I myself have rotator cuff injuries, and issues with hands, and don't get me started about knees and stairs. I've broken many bones and torn so many things that when I have an X-ray the doc asks me what the heck I do for a living. So yeah, a CHL and being able to carry for my defense is important to me. I just like to think that I perhaps have more non-lethal force options available, and being a martial artist for that long means that I am very situationally aware.

[flechero]

This can't be true. I've seen hundreds of bad guys attacking a trained accomplished Aikido master,

You just need proper technique.

Well that is about .00013 of the population... chl is for regular people, not lifelong devotees of "the" arts.

I'm not sure why you'd suggest something like that - that a CHL is for "regular" people but not martial artists, as that would be like saying that a lifelong runner doesn't need a CHL because, you know, they can just run away. Or that someone very intimidating because of their size and muscles doesn't need a CHL, because nobody in their right mind would try to rob them. Lots of folks can benefit from having a CHL.

My intention wasn't to say it is JUST FOR the regular people (although that's kind of what I said )... I meant that that there are only a handful of master martial artists that can do as suggested earlier, and that most of "us" aren't one of them.

[Glockster]

This can't be true. I've seen hundreds of bad guys attacking a trained accomplished Aikido master,

You just need proper technique.

Well that is about .00013 of the population... chl is for regular people, not lifelong devotees of "the" arts.

I'm not sure why you'd suggest something like that - that a CHL is for "regular" people but not martial artists, as that would be like saying that a lifelong runner doesn't need a CHL because, you know, they can just run away. Or that someone very intimidating because of their size and muscles doesn't need a CHL, because nobody in their right mind would try to rob them. Lots of folks can benefit from having a CHL.

My intention wasn't to say it is JUST FOR the regular people (although that's kind of what I said )... I meant that that there are only a handful of master martial artists that can do as suggested earlier, and that most of "us" aren't one of them.

Okay, understood. And I was just trying to make a point that anyone can benefit from a CHL. Just because someone is highly proficient at martial arts doesn't mean that a CHL isn't needed. My credo was always to assume that until you see otherwise that the other guy has more experience than you and to recognize that there will always be someone better than you. You're much less likely to be put in a bad position that way.

But I'd also say that it's not just a handful of master martial artists that can do that. "Master" level for example, in Tae Kwon Do, starts at 5th degree. But my experience is that if someone has the skill set they would have to some degree those level of skills and capabilities a year or two down the road from their 1st degree black belt (depending upon their particular school, that could be anywhere from 4-6 years of training then). So that's many more than a handful. One thing that I used to say in my training to any law enforcement folks is that given the proliferation of after school martial arts programs over the past 20+ years that the percentage of population here that has a decent amount of martial arts experience is probably a lot higher than most folks would suspect. When facing an opponent with no real martial arts experience (my experience is that the typical law enforcement officer isn't really given much exposure to this other than some very basic skills) the martial artist has some real advantages.

[Cowboyhockey14]

Thanks for posting the video. Videos like this are good to watch from time to time