Police confiscated my weapon

[MONGOOSE]

In other words, you would make a judgement based on what someone is wearing contrary to what you said in prior posts. Why would a cop not do the same?

Mojo, I'm going to call you out here: You're not telling the truth. Please quote me where I said that - meaning the contrary statements. I've said quite the opposite and can quote it. If I said it, I'll be accountable for it.

I'm willing to discuss whatever with you, but there has to be reasonable level of respectful disagreement. Indicating that I said things that I did not is not a reasonable way to frame a debate. Maybe it's a misunderstanding, but you'll have to point it out by quoting me.

Thanks for answering my question.

Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear. Then you went on to proclaim the freedoms to dress as one wishes in our country.

Then you said you would be concerned about someone based on what they are wearing as if cops shouldn't.

cb1000rider
Senior Member
Re: Police confiscated my weapon
PostThu Oct 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Mojo: What should I think about the kids that run around my town in caravans of lifted trucks flying confederate flags? Maybe they should be stopped and arrested for traffic violations?

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Many on this forum point to Waco as a group of "thugs" that were dressing the wrong way and got what they deserved. That may be true for some of them, but those same people gloss over the fact that some of them were CHL holders with zero criminal history and normal jobs. I think the lack of credible evidence out of that whole situation is like crickets chirping and it's going to cost that city and county a fortune, but that's just a prediction.

I may not agree a particular choice of dress, but I'm glad I live in a country where you can offend me. Mainly because I want to retain the right to offend you with my views. None of us want to be told what to thing, right? Hopefully we can agree on that.

In regard to your situation, it's unfortunate, but it sounds like they walked the thin line. The supreme court has established that LEOs can arrest for traffic offenses (Atwater vs Lago Vista), but I'd certainly lodge a complaint with the department as it may violate departmental policy.

If you find that it's typical to be treated that way, I'd find a way to even the playing field - mainly a camera or other recording device that leaves no doubt as to what happened.

PS: Use your turn signals... Or arm signals in the MC case.

Safe riding.

Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

Where did you show he cared what people wear or should be judged by their apparel?

[mojo84]

In other words, you would make a judgement based on what someone is wearing contrary to what you said in prior posts. Why would a cop not do the same?

Mojo, I'm going to call you out here: You're not telling the truth. Please quote me where I said that - meaning the contrary statements. I've said quite the opposite and can quote it. If I said it, I'll be accountable for it.

I'm willing to discuss whatever with you, but there has to be reasonable level of respectful disagreement. Indicating that I said things that I did not is not a reasonable way to frame a debate. Maybe it's a misunderstanding, but you'll have to point it out by quoting me.

Thanks for answering my question.

Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear. Then you went on to proclaim the freedoms to dress as one wishes in our country.

Then you said you would be concerned about someone based on what they are wearing as if cops shouldn't.

cb1000rider
Senior Member
Re: Police confiscated my weapon
PostThu Oct 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Mojo: What should I think about the kids that run around my town in caravans of lifted trucks flying confederate flags? Maybe they should be stopped and arrested for traffic violations?

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Many on this forum point to Waco as a group of "thugs" that were dressing the wrong way and got what they deserved. That may be true for some of them, but those same people gloss over the fact that some of them were CHL holders with zero criminal history and normal jobs. I think the lack of credible evidence out of that whole situation is like crickets chirping and it's going to cost that city and county a fortune, but that's just a prediction.

I may not agree a particular choice of dress, but I'm glad I live in a country where you can offend me. Mainly because I want to retain the right to offend you with my views. None of us want to be told what to thing, right? Hopefully we can agree on that.

In regard to your situation, it's unfortunate, but it sounds like they walked the thin line. The supreme court has established that LEOs can arrest for traffic offenses (Atwater vs Lago Vista), but I'd certainly lodge a complaint with the department as it may violate departmental policy.

If you find that it's typical to be treated that way, I'd find a way to even the playing field - mainly a camera or other recording device that leaves no doubt as to what happened.

PS: Use your turn signals... Or arm signals in the MC case.

Safe riding.

Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

Where did you show he cared what people wear or should be judged by their apparel?

Are you going to jump in midstream without reading the thread. I'm not going to quote and repost everything to make it easier for you.

On second thought since its hard to keep up when you are late to the party but want to jump on anyway. This is a quote of his from the previous page. I'll leave it up to you to research the context.

To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

Welcome to the discussion even as late as you are.

[cb1000rider]

Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear.

How is that remotely the same as saying that I'm free of bias? I indicated that I'm for equal protection and treatment under the law.. I said nothing of being free of suspicion or increased care. I think it's a stretch, but thanks for telling me where you got it.

MONGOOSE, To be fair, I did say that I didn't care what people wore. I didn't say that I'm bias free and don't take proper care around things that make me suspicious. Those are different things to me. Mojo is implying that I'm contradicting myself. I don't think that I am, but I at least understand why he said what he did.

Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

Again, Show me where I said that. I asked you what you thought. I didnt reference something that you didn't say.

[MONGOOSE]

I read your quote, now show me the exact sentence where you claim he said what he said....think you can do that?

[mojo84]

I read your quote, now show me the exact sentence where you claim he said what he said....think you can do that?

Here are his two sentences.

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like.

To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

In case you are still having trouble. One sentence indicates he doesn't care and in the other sentence he indicates he cares enough that it would "set off" his threat detection.

[Beiruty]

Please someone lock up this thread. No good would come from it. Let the lawyer do his job.

[cb1000rider]

Let's use context, shall we:

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Mojo indicates that this is contrary to:

If I'm coming off as immune to bias or threat detection, that's not my intention. And certainly I'm not immune. I've got my own set of profiling issues - I think it's part of human nature. Like I said before I take issue not with giving people of a certain "look" additional scrutiny or heightened situational awareness, but I do have a significant issue with those that think they should be rounded up just based on how they look. When we start rounding people up and locking them up, without due process, based on how they look or who they may have associated with, what does that sound like to you?
To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

Are these contradictory statements?

Mojo - I understand why you though I was contracting myself. I don't agree with you, but I see the basis for it. My apologize for indicating that you were intentionally saying something completely untrue. I'd just ask that you consider context.

[mojo84]

Let's use context, shall we:

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Mojo indicates that this is contrary to:

If I'm coming off as immune to bias or threat detection, that's not my intention. And certainly I'm not immune. I've got my own set of profiling issues - I think it's part of human nature. Like I said before I take issue not with giving people of a certain "look" additional scrutiny or heightened situational awareness, but I do have a significant issue with those that think they should be rounded up just based on how they look. When we start rounding people up and locking them up, without due process, based on how they look or who they may have associated with, what does that sound like to you?
To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

Are these contradictory statements?

Mojo - I understand why you though I was contracting myself. I don't agree with you, but I see the basis for it. My apologize for indicating that you were intentionally saying something completely untrue. I'd just ask that you consider context.

They come across as contradictory to me when considered in the broader context of the discussion that is the topic of this thread. We also need to keep in mind cops are human also and are subject to their own personal biases and perspectives. Like I said early on in this discussion, I do not condone or condemn the officer for how he handled this situation as I do not know enough about what went on. We are only getting one side of the story. If he was arrested solely for the clothing, I see no reason why he should have been arrested and his gun confiscated. However, I nor you know that what the sole reason for his arrest. That's why the guy needs to pursue his grievance through the proper channels. Us automatically assuming the cop is the bad guy in this situation is wrong.

I appreciate you acknowledging why I believe you contradicted yourself.

[puma guy]

Though I haven't read every post entirely I can say one thing. There are some folks here I would never want on my jury! I almost agree with Beiruty to lock this post but I'd like for the OP to be able to update us....if he ever comes back.

[mojo84]

Though I haven't read every post entirely I can say one thing. There are some folks here I would never want on my jury! I almost agree with Beiruty to lock this post but I'd like for the OP to be able to update us....if he ever comes back.

Care to expound on that? I suspect you are basing your comments on some erroneous assumptions. I can say for one thing, I wouldn't want someone on my jury that jumps to conclusions based on limited info and not willing to consider all the evidence.

[puma guy]

Though I haven't read every post entirely I can say one thing. There are some folks here I would never want on my jury! I almost agree with Beiruty to lock this post but I'd like for the OP to be able to update us....if he ever comes back.

Care to expound on that? I suspect you are basing your comments on some erroneous assumptions. I can say for one thing, I wouldn't want someone on my jury that jumps to conclusions based on limited info and not willing to consider all the evidence.

1st answer - No! 2nd response - I can read. 3rd response - Exactly my point.

[ron_houston]

About 10 years ago I was stopped on Telephone Road next to Hobby Airport on my Harley. As the officer walked up I kept my hands on the grips and said "officer, I have a Texas CHL and I am armed" he stepped back (and in an obvious show of superiority) un-snapped his holster. He asked where by weapon was and I told him in a shoulder holster under my left arm. I was wearing a leather vest and all he said was "do not unbutton your vest". He proceeded to give me a warning ticket for my tail-light not being "bright enough". My Harley was less than a month old 2005 Super Glide. I went to the nearest dealer and handed the service manager the warning. He laughed and said that he got about one a week from that same officer. It seems the officer's wife left him for a biker.
You just never can tell.

[Glockster]

About 10 years ago I was stopped on Telephone Road next to Hobby Airport on my Harley. As the officer walked up I kept my hands on the grips and said "officer, I have a Texas CHL and I am armed" he stepped back (and in an obvious show of superiority) un-snapped his holster. He asked where by weapon was and I told him in a shoulder holster under my left arm. I was wearing a leather vest and all he said was "do not unbutton your vest". He proceeded to give me a warning ticket for my tail-light not being "bright enough". My Harley was less than a month old 2005 Super Glide. I went to the nearest dealer and handed the service manager the warning. He laughed and said that he got about one a week from that same officer. It seems the officer's wife left him for a biker.
You just never can tell.

So did you pay the ticket?

[talltex]

About 10 years ago I was stopped on Telephone Road next to Hobby Airport on my Harley. As the officer walked up I kept my hands on the grips and said "officer, I have a Texas CHL and I am armed" he stepped back (and in an obvious show of superiority) un-snapped his holster. He asked where by weapon was and I told him in a shoulder holster under my left arm. I was wearing a leather vest and all he said was "do not unbutton your vest". He proceeded to give me a warning ticket for my tail-light not being "bright enough". My Harley was less than a month old 2005 Super Glide. I went to the nearest dealer and handed the service manager the warning. He laughed and said that he got about one a week from that same officer. It seems the officer's wife left him for a biker.
You just never can tell.

So did you pay the ticket?

He said the officer issued him a "warning"

[mojo84]

About 10 years ago I was stopped on Telephone Road next to Hobby Airport on my Harley. As the officer walked up I kept my hands on the grips and said "officer, I have a Texas CHL and I am armed" he stepped back (and in an obvious show of superiority) un-snapped his holster. He asked where by weapon was and I told him in a shoulder holster under my left arm. I was wearing a leather vest and all he said was "do not unbutton your vest". He proceeded to give me a warning ticket for my tail-light not being "bright enough". My Harley was less than a month old 2005 Super Glide. I went to the nearest dealer and handed the service manager the warning. He laughed and said that he got about one a week from that same officer. It seems the officer's wife left him for a biker.
You just never can tell.

So did you pay the ticket?

What's to pay when he got a warning?