Public Forum Campus Carry

[oohrah]

Thanks, Charles. I understood that, but I don't know if private schools will think about that option. I do intend to propose it to mine.

And of course, if they just make rules, it will only apply to students, faculty and staff.

[Deltaboy]

Something tells me the Public Colleges are going to have some sleepless nights and many tears before they suck it up and follow the law with a Frown.

[The Annoyed Man]

This is going to get interesting. The radio this morning reported that "about" 150 professors at UT last night signed a petition indicating that would not allow guns in their classrooms.

Do they even have the legal authority to demand it?

No and this was discussed at a public meeting on Monday in Austin.

Chas.

Thank you, Charles. Follow on question.... Assuming that some professors are going to declare themselves "brave" and attempt to enforce a disarmed classroom, what legal (and wise) recourse does a student have if said professor tries to drag campus security into a staged confrontation with the student?

[Papa_Tiger]

This is going to get interesting. The radio this morning reported that "about" 150 professors at UT last night signed a petition indicating that would not allow guns in their classrooms.

Do they even have the legal authority to demand it?

No and this was discussed at a public meeting on Monday in Austin.

Chas.

Thank you, Charles. Follow on question.... Assuming that some professors are going to declare themselves "brave" and attempt to enforce a disarmed classroom, what legal (and wise) recourse does a student have if said professor tries to drag campus security into a staged confrontation with the student?

I'm wondering if you could follow the SB273 route since any sign that would have the force of law would have to be a proper 30.06 sign. Since the school is required to publish their guidelines on concealed carry, any self posted sign by a "brave" professor that is in contradiction of those guidelines should be easy to bring to the administration's attention. If it is not resolved quickly by the university, bringing it to the attention of the AG would likely be the next step resulting in penalties that a university is not going to want to have to pay.

It would be amusing to me if the university decided to take any assessed penalties out of the "brave" professor's pay...

[jimlongley]

This is going to get interesting. The radio this morning reported that "about" 150 professors at UT last night signed a petition indicating that would not allow guns in their classrooms.

Do they even have the legal authority to demand it?

No and this was discussed at a public meeting on Monday in Austin.

Chas.

Thank you, Charles. Follow on question.... Assuming that some professors are going to declare themselves "brave" and attempt to enforce a disarmed classroom, what legal (and wise) recourse does a student have if said professor tries to drag campus security into a staged confrontation with the student?

And considering that concealed mean concealed, how are they going to enforce their own special rule? Inspect everyone entering the classroom?

[The Annoyed Man]

This is going to get interesting. The radio this morning reported that "about" 150 professors at UT last night signed a petition indicating that would not allow guns in their classrooms.

Do they even have the legal authority to demand it?

No and this was discussed at a public meeting on Monday in Austin.

Chas.

Thank you, Charles. Follow on question.... Assuming that some professors are going to declare themselves "brave" and attempt to enforce a disarmed classroom, what legal (and wise) recourse does a student have if said professor tries to drag campus security into a staged confrontation with the student?

And considering that concealed mean concealed, how are they going to enforce their own special rule? Inspect everyone entering the classroom?

Exactly. But....... what if they buy themselves a wand and start wanding people? Of course nothing they do will have force of law, but I am absolutely counting an a liberal anti-gun professor not having any respect for the law, AND being perfectly willing to escalate things by demanding to see what set the wand off, etc., etc., etc.

[baldeagle]

Im not sure if UT Austin falls under the UT umbrella, but that is what was passed down during the meeting. Hope that helps.

UT Austin IS UT! It holds the umbrella. The rest of them are red-headed step children.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I can assure you, having worked at UTD for 19 years before retiring, that each school is independent and does not take its orders from UT Austin. UT Austin has some influence on purchasing things because of their buying power, but the other schools are not required to join in, and UT Austin will not dictate campus carry policies for the other campuses.

[MONGOOSE]

Then why does UTEP say any polices they want to enforce needs to be sent to Austin for the Regents for approval before they can be enforced? The UTSystem offices are located in Austin. The UTBoard of Regents meet in Austin. The UT system oversees about 15 campuses....UTA, UTSA, UTEP, UTD ,UTGalvaston etc. the regents control the final say over the system. UTD is not independent of the "UT System".

[baldeagle]

Then why does UTEP say any polices they want to enforce needs to be sent to Austin for the Regents for approval before they can be enforced? The UTSystem offices are located in Austin. The UTBoard of Regents meet in Austin. The UT system oversees about 15 campuses....UTA, UTSA, UTEP, UTD ,UTGalvaston etc. the regents control the final say over the system. UTD is not independent of the "UT System".

UT Austin is NOT UT System. UT Austin has to submit their policy decisions to the Regents just like every other institution. The only difference between UT Austin and the other schools/medical branches is that they share an oil field with Texas A&M, so they get money independent of any doled out by the state. UT Austin is a university. UT System is the governing body for all UT Institutions.

[JALLEN]

Im not sure if UT Austin falls under the UT umbrella, but that is what was passed down during the meeting. Hope that helps.

UT Austin IS UT! It holds the umbrella. The rest of them are red-headed step children.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I can assure you, having worked at UTD for 19 years before retiring, that each school is independent and does not take its orders from UT Austin. UT Austin has some influence on purchasing things because of their buying power, but the other schools are not required to join in, and UT Austin will not dictate campus carry policies for the other campuses.

Well, thank God for that. You see, I am a graduate of The University of Texas, before there was UT Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, Schulenberg, Blanco, Hye, Gruene and every other little bedroom wannabe community.

The Regents really blotted their copy books when they started that nonsense. They diluted the brand, no pun intended.

[MONGOOSE]

The University of Austin is just one of many campuses controlled by the Texas University System ( along with UTD, UTEP, UTSA etc.). UTAustin does not even have a board of regents. The UTSytem is officed in Austin, but is not part of UTA. The UTSystem with their board of regents control the UT Campuses. The board of regents will rule on campus carry areas.

[baldeagle]

Well, thank God for that. You see, I am a graduate of The University of Texas, before there was UT Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, Schulenberg, Blanco, Hye, Gruene and every other little bedroom wannabe community.

The Regents really blotted their copy books when they started that nonsense. They diluted the brand, no pun intended.

If you consider that UT Southwestern is one of the premier medical universities in the world and has had five Nobel Prize winners (Chemistry and Physiology and Medicine), and the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center is THE premier cancer research facility in the world and has many prestigious prize winners and UTD has three Nobel Prize winners and UT Medical School Houston has Nobel Prize winners, I hardly think the brand was diluted by adding other universities to the system.

[txcharvel]

Then why does UTEP say any polices they want to enforce needs to be sent to Austin for the Regents for approval before they can be enforced? The UTSystem offices are located in Austin. The UTBoard of Regents meet in Austin. The UT system oversees about 15 campuses....UTA, UTSA, UTEP, UTD ,UTGalvaston etc. the regents control the final say over the system. UTD is not independent of the "UT System".

UT Austin is NOT UT System. UT Austin has to submit their policy decisions to the Regents just like every other institution. The only difference between UT Austin and the other schools/medical branches is that they share an oil field with Texas A&M, so they get money independent of any doled out by the state. UT Austin is a university. UT System is the governing body for all UT Institutions.

Almost but not quite regarding the "oil fields"...The UT System owns and maintains the University Lands but 1/3 of the revenue belongs to the TAMU System (which has a number of schools as well). Certain institutions (but not all) in both systems are allowed by the legislature to receive funds generated from this revenue.

In Texas we have the UT System, the TAMU System, the Texas State System, the UNT System, the Texas Tech System (I might be missing one)...each of these have a governing board of regents.

Each institution will have to submit their campus plans including "exclusion zones" to their respective Board of Regents for approval. The board can change or amend the proposed plan by a 2/3 majority vote. Reports must then be sent to the legislature by September 1, 2016.

[MONGOOSE]

Actually, in 1984, the monies from the land grant from which the oil revenues are derived have been divided equally between all the TX system schools.

[txcharvel]

Actually, in 1984, the monies from the land grant from which the oil revenues are derived have been divided equally between all the TX system schools.

The revenue from lands owned by UT System are used for the Permanent University Fund. Only UT System and TAMU System have access to these funds. The legislative change in 1984 allowed for all schools that were part of the UT System and the TAMU system at that time to receive these funds. Since then there have been other schools created or added to each system. The legislature has to give authority for these schools to receive funds from the Permanent University Fund.