72 Reasons I Carry a Gun

[MBGuy]

The vice also goes into strip clubs around here and if the girl touches them in any way, I mean even on the shoulder or something, while she's dancing...they put a warrant out for her arrest and she doesn't know it until she gets pulled over the next time.

I say more power to 'em! Strip clubs ought to be shut down and made illegal in the entire country. Same goes for the adult bookstores. Nothing good comes from any of them...no moral or social redeeming value whatsoever.

Careful there, remember that some people think that guns have "no moral or social redeeming value whatsoever" and that "nothing good comes from any of them".

[tfrazier]

Do you believe everything should be illegal that doesn't have moral or socially redeeming value?

Yep, I do! And then we go off into the definitions of "moral" and "socially redeeming" and it gets all fuzzy...and way off topic. But I tend to view the world in absolutes of right and wrong, not shades of gray. Look up "Calvinism" and you'll see where I'm coming from.

Remember, it's my opinion of how "I" believe the world should be. I know lots of folks disagree, and I don't mind that a bit. If the world was the way "I" believe it should be, we wouldn't need guns for self defense, either. (But I'd still have one just because target practice is sooo much fun!)

[seamusTX]

I should know better, but ...

Who gets to decide what has no moral or socially redeeming value and should be illegal?

Here's a short list of things that I think have no value:

• most TV
• most movies
• most radio programs
• professional sports
• junk food
• saloons
• pornography
• girlie joints

I indicate my lack of interest in these things by not patronizing them.

- Jim

[tfrazier]

I should know better, but ...
Who gets to decide what has no moral or socially redeeming value and should be illegal?

Well, of course I should be the one who gets to decide...barring that, it should be someone who thinks just like me! And I think everything in your list should be illegal. Except TVs should be allowed as long as the only station allowed to broadcast is permitted to send out nothing other than old Dr. Who re-runs.

Everyone has a different opinion on what is right/wrong/worthwhile/etc. That's why it's a good thing we live in a democratic republic, and aren't ruled by a king or a theocracy.

BUT, what I really want to point out in this thread is that there are scumbag criminals all around us and we should all be making others aware that they need to preserve and protect their second amendment rights for the sake of themselves and their loved ones, and their freedom to disagree and debate philosophy on web forums.

[KBCraig]

Do you believe everything should be illegal that doesn't have moral or socially redeeming value?

Yep, I do! And then we go off into the definitions of "moral" and "socially redeeming" and it gets all fuzzy...and way off topic. But I tend to view the world in absolutes of right and wrong, not shades of gray. Look up "Calvinism" and you'll see where I'm coming from.

Well, thanks for clarifying.

...And I'm glad I don't live in a world where you're in charge. I'm sure you're a nice guy. But even if your idea of "moral" and "socially redeeming" exactly match mine, I still wouldn't want you imposing it at gunpoint on the rest of the world.

[tfrazier]

Who said anything about imposing it at gunpoint? I was assuming I would be such a wonderful and charismatic leader that everyone would do what I say out of love and devotion.

I hope you realize a lot of what I said was toungue-in-cheek, including the above. If someone wants to go to strip clubs and adult bookstores (until I am crowned and can outlaw them) that's their personal business and well within their rights.

Meanwhile, I get to exercise my right to express my opinion about how those establishments are harmful to society and contribute to moral decay, along with my wish that they didn't exist.

But never fear! I'm not running for office, and even if I was, no one would vote for me except my Mom.

[seamusTX]

Who said anything about imposing it at gunpoint?

When something is made illegal, or legally required, armed people can ultimately arrest you for violating the law or trying to evade arrest.

People die because they have expired inspection stickers and evade a police stop.

I used to have these "there oughta be a law" thoughts until I realized how serious they were in reality.

- Jim

[govnor]

Remember, folks... there are many ways to land on the "registered sex offender" list these days.

Many are the result of ugly divorces. I read about one woman who was charged because she got out of the shower naked in front of her children. They might beat the rap if they can afford a good lawyer, but they often can't.

In some states, all sex between minors is a crime unless they are married. It's even possible to marry a young girl in some states and be considered a sex offender in others.

- Jim

Something like this happened to my cousin. He was a youth minister and at a youth camp that I went to as a kid. The boys and girls are separated. My cousin was a dorm pastor, so he stayed in a room with a bunch of boys. A pastor's wife came around to that side of the dorm where she wasn't supposed to be and apparently they had the door to the dorm open. Everyone was taking showers because they were getting ready for chapel, which they have every night. He walks around the corner and his towel falls off or he dropped it because he was about to get dressed. No big deal anyway, since everyone was always popping each other with towels when I was a kid. The showers aren't one big stall, but it's like going to the gym, where you get dressed in the actual dorm. Some people walk around naked.

So anyway, she sees him naked and accuses him of molesting boys. They even got some boys to say he did something. He made the Dallas Morning News as a result of this. He voluntarily took a lie detector test and passed with no problems. The boys that said he did something later recanted their stories, since nothing did really happen. He went to court and was found not guilty of all charges, so is not a sex offender.

Turns out that the pastor's wife sued the camp because they were looking for cash. They ended up getting a couple hundred grand and the pastor and his wife were divorced shortly afterwards.

I've known this guy my whole life and one thing I can tell you for SURE is that he isn't interested in boys or men, period. He ain't gay. He loved being a youth minister and still was for several years after he was exonerated and still works for his father's church. Just goes to show that if someone accuses you of some sex crime, you have to prove that you aren't guilty. It's supposed to be the other way around.

I'm also not saying that real sex offenders should be given a break either. Those guys that showed up in Murphy obviously had some intent to do something. They even had the chat logs. Those are the people that should be locked up. Not someone that is accused because someone has a grudge against them or wants money.

[govnor]

The vice also goes into strip clubs around here and if the girl touches them in any way, I mean even on the shoulder or something, while she's dancing...they put a warrant out for her arrest and she doesn't know it until she gets pulled over the next time.

I say more power to 'em! Strip clubs ought to be shut down and made illegal in the entire country. Same goes for the adult bookstores. Nothing good comes from any of them...no moral or social redeeming value whatsoever.

Well, although I'm not a patron of strip clubs or adult bookstores, I don't think they should necessarily be illegal. I'm just saying that the cops already have enough REAL crime going on to worry about something as silly as this.

I mean, what do you care if someone wants to look at a naked woman and pays to do so? I've never understood that logic. Yeah, if they were putting the club in next door to you or in your neighborhood then you would have something to complain about. It's something that doesn't affect you at all. I guess it's the Libertarian in me. You know, the Nazi's made everything illegal that they didn't agree with. I'm not saying you are one, but it's a slippery slope.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Let's get back on topic.

Chas.

[KD5NRH]

Remember, folks... there are many ways to land on the "registered sex offender" list these days.

Many are the result of ugly divorces. I read about one woman who was charged because she got out of the shower naked in front of her children. They might beat the rap if they can afford a good lawyer, but they often can't.[/quote]

Try this; http://www.sullivan-county.com/bush/7_states.htm

Yep; shack up with your consenting adult partner and become a sex offender. IIRC from another source, one of those states calls it cohabitation after one night.

[tfrazier]

My apologies!:oops:
I could've got us back on track a while back but didn't...attempt number two. (I won't respond to the other subject any more here per Charles' directive, besides, the subject matter kinda got too gritty to fit with the spirit of the ten-year-old-daughter rule):

2,000,000 plus persons are current residents in our jails and prisons. A massive number over that are walking and living among us as ex-convicts. A miniscule percentage of the ex-cons have actually learned their lessons and repented. The majority have not and are simply active criminals just getting away with as many episodes of law-breaking as they can before they get caught again. Stories appear every day about home invasions and the suffering inflicted by these animals on innocent people. Read this story or the story of the murder of Jonas Strunk. Nearly all the offenders are discovered to be career criminals.

I agree with a previous author in this thread: The best way to protect your family from an intruder is:
a good dog and a gun
...but you may not want a wimpy pit bull who lays on the arm of the couch all day because he was raised by a cat.

[srothstein]

I believe that "live-in boyfriends of single mothers" leads the statistical category.

I think they lead the conviction category while blood relatives (brother,uncle,father) lead the offender category. More moms will believe the kid over the boyfriend (or catch the boyfriend) than will over another family member.

But I have to agree with the basic concept. It is so much more often a known adult/older relative than a stranger that the stranger cases are very newsworthy while the family ones are not.

[govnor]

From looking at the news over the years. Home invasions that include rape or "sexual assault" involve one of two things. Either the victim was targeted by the scum or they kicked the door in and guess what? There's a hot chic in the house so let's rape her!

In the infamous one in Wichita (Wichita massacre), the creeps knocked on the door and someone opened it. The two less than humans proceeded to do all kinds of heinous stuff to the inhabitants before killing them. One survived to tell the tale. The police believe it was random or they got the wrong house.

I know of another case that happened in Arlington. No, I don't have documentation since it happened years ago, but know someone that knows them. A woman would see this black guy eyeing her up from his bike all the time when she was working in the yard. One night they woke up to find him over her husband with a butcher's knife slitting his throat. His intention was to get into the house and rape her. I think the guy was 17-18 at the time. So they fought him off and both miraculously lived through it. It came up because the subhuman was being released from jail and they were afraid he might come back. If this was my situation, his release would be a blessing to me since then I could then finally get my hands on him.

In case after case it seems that most home invasions happen after someone opens the door for someone, or there is an unlocked door or window.

I don't trust anyone and if I did open the door, which would be a rare occurrence, I would have a gun in hand.

If I'm asleep and someone breaks in, the dog would freak, the alarm would go off and I would be up with a shotgun (or AR) and flashlight in hand. I'd probably hear it anyway since I'm a light sleeper. My bedroom door is also locked when I'm asleep and I have a jam on it anyway. You'd have to break the door off the hinges to get in.

Yeah, a little bit strange for most folks in the suburb. I don't care though. I sleep well at night.

Most people that live in nice neighborhoods don't own guns or even think about someone breaking in. That or someone with evil intentions knocking on the door. Most people are sheep walking around waiting to be slaughtered.

Back on topic.

[Venus Pax]

Most people that live in nice neighborhoods don't own guns or even think about someone breaking in.

I wouldn't say that most don't own guns. I know many people that own guns and have no clue where they are, or they keep them unloaded.

I also know sooooooooooo many people that don't lock their doors. (When visiting, I get up and lock them.) Locking doors is a simple, basic thing that can buy the homeowner a little extra time in a home invasion.
If they walk right in your house, it's too late unless you're wearing the gun. If they have to bust in, you've got a few seconds to grab a gun (and it better be loaded).