Carly is surging. Here's her 2A views

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SewTexas wrote:

"I like Carly and Carson"

Me too!

...and I don't care which one is the President.

They've no governmental experience and that's a good thing.

Let's not continue to elect professional criminals, er politicians...
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Her book on the history of history must differ from mine.

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ShootDontTalk wrote:
J.R.@A&M wrote: We Texans have a philosophical luxury in that all Texas electoral votes will likely go to the GOP candidate, regardless of how or whether any of us vote.

But if the above sentiment came from a conservative in Ohio or Florida, I would say that it doesn't matter if you would never vote for a democrat. Not voting for the GOP candidate will help elect Hillary Clinton. Mind you, I will not presume to question the preferences of any woman or man, especially an annoyed man. I'm just talking about the electoral college math and the SCOTUS math.
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At this stage, almost anybody would be infinitely better for the republic than what we've had the last two terms. I also think a lot of people who didn't actually see the danger in BHO helped to get him elected by saying Romney would have made such a poor president. I don't know how they voted, but every vote counts ultimately. And I seem to remember lots of posts on here about how nobody should vote for a candidate like Romney. I wonder if anyone who actually believed that feels really good about where we are right now?
Given that the recent election put GOP majorities in both houses and they immediately betrayed those of us who voted for them and have been steadily advancing the Obama agenda ever since, what meaningful difference do you think it would have made, or will make? If any of the current candidates are honest and show any chance of getting the nomination the GOP establishment will knee cap them. No honest candidate that will actually try to change anything has any chance of getting the GOP nomination. And that assumes that he could change anything with a GOP Congress that has been carrying water for Obama. I have to agree with GWB when he said, fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, won't get fooled again.
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We still have a long, long way to go, but so far Jeb Bush has very little support. I am encouraged by that. I think he is a worse candidate than his brother.
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MechAg94 wrote:We still have a long, long way to go, but so far Jeb Bush has very little support. I am encouraged by that. I think he is a worse candidate than his brother.
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VMI77 wrote: Given that the recent election put GOP majorities in both houses and they immediately betrayed those of us who voted for them and have been steadily advancing the Obama agenda ever since, what meaningful difference do you think it would have made, or will make? If any of the current candidates are honest and show any chance of getting the nomination the GOP establishment will knee cap them. No honest candidate that will actually try to change anything has any chance of getting the GOP nomination. And that assumes that he could change anything with a GOP Congress that has been carrying water for Obama. I have to agree with GWB when he said, fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, won't get fooled again.
So who would you suggest the next occupant of the WH be? Are you saying the alternative is Hillary, Uncle Joe, or comrade Bernie?

I'm not happy with the GOP leadership either. But I fully believe another 8 years of someone as incompetent and with as little disregard for the American people and the Constitution as BHO will lead to a civil war, or reveloutionary war. Not just civil disobedience, but the full understanding of the safeguard the 2nd Amendment provides. I don't really relish my great grandkids having to endure that. I just hope there is a candidate that can channel all the seething, just beneath the surface anger back into hope for the future. Maybe I'm just a dreamer and it is too late? You tell me.

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I like Carly, she is so far ahead of Hillary, If not President or VP, I would love to see her Secretary of State...
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If the republicans don't put up a true conservative, we are all wasting our time. When they try to get these moderate candidates like Jeb Bush so that a few Ohio democrats will elect them, we are only voting for Socialist or Socialist Lite.
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Blindref757 wrote:If the republicans don't put up a true conservative, we are all wasting our time. When they try to get these moderate candidates like Jeb Bush so that a few Ohio democrats will elect them, we are only voting for Socialist or Socialist Lite.
You may be right, but I think the stakes are infinitely higher this time. If we don't turn the Democrat/liberal/progressive/socialist tide back this time, I really have the terrible feeling that the country will tear itself apart. If we put decent people in the White House, then we can deal with the rest of the problems the same way you eat an elephant, one bite at a time. (No pun intended)

I would rather have a somewhat less than ideal fix than a continuation of the disastrous course we're on right now. Surely I'm not the only one who sees the terrible acceleration of the right is wrong, wrong is right, good is bad, bad is good train wreck we're riding?
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ShootDontTalk wrote:
Blindref757 wrote:If the republicans don't put up a true conservative, we are all wasting our time. When they try to get these moderate candidates like Jeb Bush so that a few Ohio democrats will elect them, we are only voting for Socialist or Socialist Lite.
You may be right, but I think the stakes are infinitely higher this time. If we don't turn the Democrat/liberal/progressive/socialist tide back this time, I really have the terrible feeling that the country will tear itself apart.

I would rather have a somewhat less ideal fix than a continuation of the disastrous course we're on right now. Surely I'm not the only one who sees the terrible acceleration of the right is wrong, wrong is right, good is bad, bad is good train wreck we're riding?
:iagree:

I think that a lot of America is sick of the train wreck. We're all aware that Trump will never get a nomination, but look at his numbers. People are so starved for a change that they're turning to the furthest thing they can find from the "norm."
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ShootDontTalk wrote:
J.R.@A&M wrote: We Texans have a philosophical luxury in that all Texas electoral votes will likely go to the GOP candidate, regardless of how or whether any of us vote.

But if the above sentiment came from a conservative in Ohio or Florida, I would say that it doesn't matter if you would never vote for a democrat. Not voting for the GOP candidate will help elect Hillary Clinton. Mind you, I will not presume to question the preferences of any woman or man, especially an annoyed man. I'm just talking about the electoral college math and the SCOTUS math.
:iagree:

At this stage, almost anybody would be infinitely better for the republic than what we've had the last two terms. I also think a lot of people who didn't actually see the danger in BHO helped to get him elected by saying Romney would have made such a poor president. I don't know how they voted, but every vote counts ultimately. And I seem to remember lots of posts on here about how nobody should vote for a candidate like Romney. I wonder if anyone who actually believed that feels really good about where we are right now?
I am one of those who, last time around, strongly advised my (then) fellow republicans to hold their noses and vote republican. I am no longer a republican. I completely understand the electoral college math. But honestly, I'm not sure I care that much anymore.

What was it that Davey Crockett is supposed to have said.......something along the lines of "You can all go to hades, I'm going to Texas"? That is pretty much how I feel about politicians these days. Pretty much all of them. I am more discouraged today than I've ever been. When my own former party makes the likes of Boehner Speaker of the House, and the likes of McConnell Senate Majority Leader, why on earth should I have any faith in the republican party to do the right thing? Neither of those two clowns are any better than Reid and Pelosi.....if transparency and paying heed to the grassroots have any meaning at all. I know whom I was impressed with in the first debate, and whom I was disgusted with. Time will tell and shake them out.....and we'll get down to a small enough number of candidates that we can tell who stands for what. But if the republican party, nationally, can elect clowns like Boehner and McConnell, then they can easily come up with a Trump/Bush ticket..........and that is some scary stuff.

So this year, I'm going to mind my own business, and vote how I want to vote, and keep my vote to myself. I sure as heck am not going to let anyone try to scare me into voting for an inferior candidate, because I'm askeered of his opponent, and I most heartily apologize for having done the same to others in the last two elections.
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I understand what TAM is saying.....when you look at the field of candidates and the first thing that comes to mind is "whose 'turn' is it this time?" in that "I give up" voice....you know you're up the creek without the proverbial paddle.

FWIW....probably Christie or Graham would be the answer to the question?
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
ShootDontTalk wrote:
J.R.@A&M wrote: We Texans have a philosophical luxury in that all Texas electoral votes will likely go to the GOP candidate, regardless of how or whether any of us vote.

But if the above sentiment came from a conservative in Ohio or Florida, I would say that it doesn't matter if you would never vote for a democrat. Not voting for the GOP candidate will help elect Hillary Clinton. Mind you, I will not presume to question the preferences of any woman or man, especially an annoyed man. I'm just talking about the electoral college math and the SCOTUS math.
:iagree:

At this stage, almost anybody would be infinitely better for the republic than what we've had the last two terms. I also think a lot of people who didn't actually see the danger in BHO helped to get him elected by saying Romney would have made such a poor president. I don't know how they voted, but every vote counts ultimately. And I seem to remember lots of posts on here about how nobody should vote for a candidate like Romney. I wonder if anyone who actually believed that feels really good about where we are right now?
I am one of those who, last time around, strongly advised my (then) fellow republicans to hold their noses and vote republican. I am no longer a republican. I completely understand the electoral college math. But honestly, I'm not sure I care that much anymore.

What was it that Davey Crockett is supposed to have said.......something along the lines of "You can all go to hades, I'm going to Texas"? That is pretty much how I feel about politicians these days. Pretty much all of them. I am more discouraged today than I've ever been. When my own former party makes the likes of Boehner Speaker of the House, and the likes of McConnell Senate Majority Leader, why on earth should I have any faith in the republican party to do the right thing? Neither of those two clowns are any better than Reid and Pelosi.....if transparency and paying heed to the grassroots have any meaning at all. I know whom I was impressed with in the first debate, and whom I was disgusted with. Time will tell and shake them out.....and we'll get down to a small enough number of candidates that we can tell who stands for what. But if the republican party, nationally, can elect clowns like Boehner and McConnell, then they can easily come up with a Trump/Bush ticket..........and that is some scary stuff.

So this year, I'm going to mind my own business, and vote how I want to vote, and keep my vote to myself. I sure as heck am not going to let anyone try to scare me into voting for an inferior candidate, because I'm askeered of his opponent, and I most heartily apologize for having done the same to others in the last two elections.

The Davey Crockett reference is nice, but unfortunately Texas is just 1 of 50 now. Where is the "New Texas"?


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I am so fed up with everyone running right now, I don't care who wins....as long as it is NOT Hillary!
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