Mini Rant over HB910 and Horizontal Shoulder Holsters

[gljjt]

Good work making the point for us.

" I'm gonna carry my gun however I like and screw everyone else, who cares about the image of OC folks."

Us??? Perhaps "us" is better left out of your statement as you and I do not hold the same opinion on this topic.

As I read from harrycallahan's post he plans on carrying his gun in a manner allowed by law, in a way that is comfortable and appropriate for him, in a manner not calculated to cause alarm. That you dislike that is fine, that you chastise him for it is no different than MDA members do to anyone with a gun. If that was not how you intended to be understood, outstanding, all I can say is that is how it came across to me

I would hope you would stand behind any citizen who elects to possess, carry, hold, concealed or openly carry a firearm in a manner allowed by law (that would include laws not just reference the carry method but disorderly conduct laws as well) I know I do

The chances of me standing behind someone with an exposed muzzle pointing in my direction are exactly zero. I assure you, you weren't included in my "us" so please, spare your indignation for someone else. Us knows who they are.

You want to OC? Fine, have fun where you can.

You want to flag your muzzle all over creation while you're doing it? That's a problem for a lot of folks, as is the attitude that we're just going to tolerate it.

I predict horizontal shoulder holsters combined with OC and I'll wear my gun any way I darn well please is going to result in MWAG calls.

[Right2Carry]

IMHO anyone OCing in a shoulder holster is nothing more than an attention seeker. Hopefully we won't see much of this type of carry.

I wouldn't carry openly with a horizontal shoulder rig. I don't like to be swept with a gun muzzle, and wouldn't do it
to anyone else.

My S&W 60 rides well in a Galco Lite rig, and is very comfortable and accessible while driving, especially those long Texas
drives. If you see me at a gas pump wearing that rig, I'm not seeking attention, I'm just exercising my rights.

jmra, your beatdown, and name calling, of those who might choose to openly carry a handgun within the law is really
getting a little old.

[Cjwglock19]

Hope this isn't in the wrong forum area, but for curiosity sake, how many of you practice shoulder holster carry? I have always considered it but was afraid it would be uncomfortable (I had to wear an immobility harness once for an injury and it was terrible). I carry a Glock 19...any holster recommendations? If somewhat comfortable, this is a type of carry I would like to try.

[jmra]

Good work making the point for us.

" I'm gonna carry my gun however I like and screw everyone else, who cares about the image of OC folks."

Us??? Perhaps "us" is better left out of your statement as you and I do not hold the same opinion on this topic.

As I read from harrycallahan's post he plans on carrying his gun in a manner allowed by law, in a way that is comfortable and appropriate for him, in a manner not calculated to cause alarm. That you dislike that is fine, that you chastise him for it is no different than MDA members do to anyone with a gun. If that was not how you intended to be understood, outstanding, all I can say is that is how it came across to me

I would hope you would stand behind any citizen who elects to possess, carry, hold, concealed or openly carry a firearm in a manner allowed by law (that would include laws not just reference the carry method but disorderly conduct laws as well) I know I do

The chances of me standing behind someone with an exposed muzzle pointing in my direction are exactly zero. I assure you, you weren't included in my "us" so please, spare your indignation for someone else. Us knows who they are.

You want to OC? Fine, have fun where you can.

You want to flag your muzzle all over creation while you're doing it? That's a problem for a lot of folks, as is the attitude that we're just going to tolerate it.

I predict horizontal shoulder holsters combined with OC and I'll wear my gun any way I darn well please is going to result in MWAG calls.

[jmra]

Hope this isn't in the wrong forum area, but for curiosity sake, how many of you practice shoulder holster carry? I have always considered it but was afraid it would be uncomfortable (I had to wear an immobility harness once for an injury and it was terrible). I carry a Glock 19...any holster recommendations? If somewhat comfortable, this is a type of carry I would like to try.

I've tried it a few times - way too hot for me. Maybe a winter setup, but I've found IWB to be much easier for CC. For OC I prefer something much more subdued.

[Taypo]

RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

"Excuse me, Mr Manager of Whatever Establishment I happen to be in? That man's gun is pointing at me and I'm really uncomfortable with it. I'm going to leave so may I please have a refund?"

[Javier730]

RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

"Excuse me, Mr Manager of Whatever Establishment I happen to be in? That man's gun is pointing at me and I'm really uncomfortable with it. I'm going to leave so may I please have a refund?"

Yup theres gonna be a whole lot of that. I personally don't want a pistol pointed at my families face. I just hope people who choose to carry in this manner don't do it on purpose to get a rise out of people for more Youtube views. It will probably happen though. Some oc militants seem to just want to get their idea of good reactions out of people.

[harrycallahan]

Hope this isn't in the wrong forum area, but for curiosity sake, how many of you practice shoulder holster carry? I have always considered it but was afraid it would be uncomfortable (I had to wear an immobility harness once for an injury and it was terrible). I carry a Glock 19...any holster recommendations? If somewhat comfortable, this is a type of carry I would like to try.

I use a mitchrosen Shoulder rig. In a conceal carry world it's not the easiest, but it works.

[android]

RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

A pistol in a holster that properly covers the trigger isn't sweeping or flagging or muzzle covering or whatever you want to call it.
It's an inert object with regards to safety and gun handling unless you put your paws on it.

No different than sitting with an appendix carry holster or tying my shoes with a gun on my side and passing my arm under the barrel.

[Taypo]

RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

A pistol in a holster that properly covers the trigger isn't sweeping or flagging or muzzle covering or whatever you want to call it.
It's an inert object with regards to safety and gun handling unless you put your paws on it.

No different than sitting with an appendix carry holster or tying my shoes with a gun on my side and passing my arm under the barrel.

Sitting down while crotch carrying endangers you, not everyone behind you. Safe or not, there are lots of rational people out there who have no desire whatsoever to look down the barrel of a gun.

[Abraham]

On a side note: If you're bothered by what some post, go to the User Control Panel and exile those who offend you...

[Greybeard]

"I carry a Glock 19...any holster recommendations?" FWIW, the holster in the pic was made by http://www.badlandsleather.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and is highly adjustable - which a key to comfort. And, btw, I did have Jack make a vertical holster to replace the horizontal holster used in the photo. Personally, I have used shoulder holsters off and on rather rarely since 1990 (then with a Glock 23, now with an XD). Another key to comfort where ever you might get one is wide shoulder straps, at least if carrying anything much heavier than about 20 ounces.

[RHenriksen]

I have an Andrews Monarch shoulder holster I've very pleased with. It has a horizontal strap that connects the holster & mag carriers across your back, which is a great design improvement. No idea why it hasn't caught on w other manufacturers.

[Greybeard]

harrycallahan says "And for the record, if you're ever behind me and don't like .45 in my rig...move!"

Yep, and "for the record", that is exactly the type of "ethics" that will result in people moving allright - moving straight over to the customer service counter and asking to speak with the General Manager. Then us all seeing new 30.07 signs, possibly new 30.06 signs while they are at it. Not to mention, making it tougher, rather than easier, to get more prohibited locations removed in the 2017 session of the TX Legislature.

[Charles L. Cotton]

RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

A pistol in a holster that properly covers the trigger isn't sweeping or flagging or muzzle covering or whatever you want to call it.
It's an inert object with regards to safety and gun handling unless you put your paws on it.

I have to disagree with you there. When I'm teaching a class, if the muzzle of a student's handgun points at another student, then the offending student has swept another person with their muzzle, regardless of their placement of their trigger finger. When the muzzle points at something "you are not willing to destroy," that person or thing has been swept.

Yes, horizontal shoulder holsters are safe when properly designed and used for a specific handgun. Nevertheless, at a minimum it is extremely rude and irresponsible to openly wear a horizontal shoulder holster and put other people in fear. I know how they work and I have one of every type (for demonstration purposes) but there's no way on this earth I'd knowingly stand behind some wearing one and stare down the barrel. Safety rules are protocols and protocols are effective only when you follow them all the time.

BTW, covering the trigger may not be the end of the story. For striker-fired weapons it is, but not for hammer-fired handguns. Those handguns need to be secured with a strap that is between the hammer and firing pin because a sear an fail. I know, I had it happen.
Chas.