New reseach shows good guy with a gun wrong

[philip964]

https://news.yahoo.com/research-puts-go ... 00122.html

linked to more homicides.

[crazy2medic]

I wonder what the researchers bias is, Take New York as an example, next to impossible to get a permit there unless your connected and have lots of money, yet the crime rate is way out of proportion to Dallas or any other metropolitan area with the exception of Chicago

[J.R.@A&M]

"A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws. "

The researcher found a statistical association between concealed carry and gun homicide rates, as well as gun ownership and mass shootings.

The researcher (and the reporter) are then assuming (i.e., "The study suggests...") that more concealed carry and gun ownership *cause* more gun homicide and mass shootings, respectively. Hence, reducing the former will reduce the latter.

I would assume the reverse, that high rates of homicide and mass shootings cause more concealed carry and higher levels of gun ownership, respectively. So reducing the former would not reduce the latter.

The researcher is using the most readily available data, but those data miss the influence of WHO is carrying concealed and/or owning guns versus WHO is committing gun homicide and mass shootings.

[Flightmare]

I love how they choose the word "homicide". People conflate homicide with murder all the time, and therefore it is misleading without the article defining the word for the public. All murder is homicide, but not all homicide is murder. There is such a thing as "justifiable homicide", ie self defense.

LEOs are taught in the academy that when you are involved in a fatal shooting to not freak out when you hear the word "homicide" thrown around. It simply means one human terminating the life of another human, intent doesn't even play a factor. By definition, medical malpractice can be classified as homicide.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/homicide

[Paladin]

Funny how the author has read Lott, but seems to think she knows better:

More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws

[KC5AV]

The journal that published the research, and the parent company of the journal are both based in Great Britain. That probably explains a lot.

[Mike S]

It seems as if just about anyone can get just about anything published in a 'peer reviewed' journal, if they pander to the viewpoints of the journal's editors / reviewers. Then those papers can be cited by other 'researchers' to validate their points of view. Unfortunately, alot of these start with their 'conclusion' up front & cherry pick / interpret data that supports their viewpoints (or 'infers', 'suggests', 'correlates', or whatever soft language they use to make their statement without making a compelling argument with unbiased facts).

The three academics interviewed in this YouTube video are in a bit of hot water after proving this point (NOT the same researchers as the OPs article, but illustration of how easy it is to get published in some fringe journal). They basically made up wazoo data that was beyond ludicrous, submitted their satirical research to journals for peer review, & ended up getting
a couple papers published (with many more in the pipeline for review before it came to light). Their intent was to expose the lack of credibility & total disregard of the scientific process / research methodology of many of the SJW topics being pushed in Universities today.

[flechero]

great research if it were even partially true, there would be a huge uptick in the LTC's being arrested for these mass shootings and homicides that they are said to be committing. Ironically the crime rates on the other side are being watered down with all the mass protestor releases and lack of arrests to "keep the peace."

They can't see the obvious.... that when crime goes up and police stand down- good and vulnerable people seek other ways to protect themselves.

[Jusme]

"A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws. "

The researcher found a statistical association between concealed carry and gun homicide rates, as well as gun ownership and mass shootings.

The researcher (and the reporter) are then assuming (i.e., "The study suggests...") that more concealed carry and gun ownership *cause* more gun homicide and mass shootings, respectively. Hence, reducing the former will reduce the latter.

I would assume the reverse, that high rates of homicide and mass shootings cause more concealed carry and higher levels of gun ownership, respectively. So reducing the former would not reduce the latter.

The researcher is using the most readily available data, but those data miss the influence of WHO is carrying concealed and/or owning guns versus WHO is committing gun homicide and mass shootings.

Ding!! Ding!!! Ding!!

There is cause and effect, but not in the way they try to frame it. There is an uptick in crime, due to defunding and defanging, the police, as well as an uptick in gun buying due to the crime rate, and fears that there will be no police when needed.
In the winter there is an uptick in flu deaths due to people being cooped up inside with other people. There is an uptick in heating oil usage also. Heating oil usage does not cause flu deaths.