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Well, now that the democrats control the House and given the 60-vote cloture rule in the Senate it appears, sadly, that national conceal carry legislation has about a zero chance of becoming law. :(
I am disappointed in President Trump. He did not have the votes to repeal Obama-Care nor does he have the votes for wall funding (at least as of this writing) but he pushed those very hard. National conceal-carry?....crickets....

dlh wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:12 pm Well, now that the democrats control the House and given the 60-vote cloture rule in the Senate it appears, sadly, that national conceal carry legislation has about a zero chance of becoming law. :(
I am disappointed in President Trump. He did not have the votes to repeal Obama-Care nor does he have the votes for wall funding (at least as of this writing) but he pushed those very hard. National conceal-carry?....crickets....

I too am disappointed but I don't blame Trump. I do blame an electorate that is unbelievably stupid.

I don’t know if it is totally hopeless. Remember, under Obama, we got national parks carry passed as part of another spending bill. It’s conceivable that national reciprocity could be attached as a rider that way.

There are so many states I can go to now while carrying that I'm not terribly concerned with national reciprocity. There are several states with excellent scenic routes that I would like to go to with my wife on our bike. If it made that possible for me to do while armed then it might not be a horrible idea.

dlh wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:12 pm Well, now that the democrats control the House and given the 60-vote cloture rule in the Senate it appears, sadly, that national conceal carry legislation has about a zero chance of becoming law. :(
I am disappointed in President Trump. He did not have the votes to repeal Obama-Care nor does he have the votes for wall funding (at least as of this writing) but he pushed those very hard. National conceal-carry?....crickets....

I'm upset with the President over Corps of Engineers situation. I believe that all that is needed is an executive order from him to the Secretrary of the Army acknowledging the loss that the Corps has already had in Federal District Court and applying it to ALL Corp controlled property. While not as larger an impact as National Reciprocity, it would still be significant and another stepping stone to the ban on carry in other Federal places.

I think that a floor vote on National Reciprocity could have forced reluctant Dems like Joe Manchin to cross over. All they needed was to get past cloture. I blame the Senate Republicans for not finding a way to make that happen, not the President. That said, however, I strongly believe that States like NY, NJ and CA will NEVER, EVER allow someone with at Texas LTC to carry in their State, regardless of what laws are passed in Washington. They would see it as I do - an existential threat to their political power. It will take first breaking States like MD over their "May Issue" policies. That could lead to non-resident permits as it did in IL. Then, and only then, might National Reciprocity stand a chance. JMHO.

I agree that national reciprocity is a long way off. Not sure if I would blame this congress anymore then any other. But with states like New York, New Jersey and California I can not see it ever happening even with a federal law. Hell they don't pay attention to federal laws now. Texas license is good for many states and for those that it is not recognized, I just stay out of. Shame too as I still have some family in New York though as they retire they are leaving.

No Hope on national Conceal-carry is one more symptom that the process of representative government in Washington is broken. It is well documented that US policy outcomes "tend to tilt towards the wishes of corporations and business and professional associations.". And the vast majority of Billionaires supported Hillary and her gun bans.

It is only working with and through organizations like the NRA, TSRA, GOA, etc that we have any hope of influencing Washington and state legislature.

Until we drain the swamp and take back our country we need to support 2nd Amendment organizations with everything we've got and work through state and local governments to regain our rights as Americans.

dlh wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:12 pm Well, now that the democrats control the House and given the 60-vote cloture rule in the Senate it appears, sadly, that national conceal carry legislation has about a zero chance of becoming law. :(

It had no chance when the Republicans had the majority in the House the past two years either.

Well at least we got a bump stock ban even without Congress. My hope is for absolutely NO legislation at the Federal level. It's not an enumerated power of the central government to govern possession, wearing, and carry of arms in the States. We have a long history of (arguably) unconstitutional legislation from the central government....1934, 1968, 1986, 1994. The Protection of Lawful Commerce legislation in 2004? is one of the few positive things I can think of out of Washington.

I agree with not needing any new laws. What we need is the supreme court to strike down the unconstitutional laws that are in place now.