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superstar wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/f ... -1.3762477
This is a stain for the LTC community, a sad and tragic event that could have been avoided.
So, it appears the "victim" may have initially been the aggressor. On the flip side, the mug shot of the shooter does not inspire confidence.The slain teen’s passenger claims he watched his pal, Muhammed Rahim, 17, confront an armed man itching for a fight after their two vehicles crashed Sunday morning in Rochester.
"My friend got in his face, and then the guy we hit pulled a gun out,” Noah Dukart told KTTC-TV. “Then my friend said, ‘I dare you,’ and he shot him right in the heart.”
Rahim is believed to have crashed into the other vehicle after sliding into a ditch, veering out in reverse and then striking the second car, according to police.
Rahim negligently caused the wreck and then verbally confronted the guy he crashed into. In response to the verbal threats, the victim drew his handgun. In response to the handgun, Rahim escalated the situation further instead of backing off. He continued to pose an immediate proximate threat to the guy he crashed into. This is according to Rahim's friend, by the way.“My friend got in his face, and then the guy we hit pulled a gun out,” Noah Dukart told KTTC-TV.
Weiss claims he acted in self-defense because he feared his life was in danger.
The passenger was close enough to hear what the two men were saying. That means he was out of his vehicle. Two against one, where the assailants are clearly willing to press the attack despite the presence of a gun? I dunno. Sounds like it might be a disparity of force to me. Once the two attackers manage to knock their victim down and disarm him, he is done. It is way too late for him to defend himself at that point.stroo wrote:A punch doesn't need to be thrown to justify acting in self defense.
However from the pictures, I don't see a disparity of force argument working. And simply daring someone to shoot doesn't justify shooting.
It will be interesting to see how this works out.
What's wrong with guy's mug shot? I don't see any tattoos. He has short hair. Looks like a normal guy to me.Pawpaw wrote:There's a (very) little bit more information here: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3759085
One thing that tells me there might be more to the situation:
So, it appears the "victim" may have initially been the aggressor. On the flip side, the mug shot of the shooter does not inspire confidence.The slain teen’s passenger claims he watched his pal, Muhammed Rahim, 17, confront an armed man itching for a fight after their two vehicles crashed Sunday morning in Rochester.
"My friend got in his face, and then the guy we hit pulled a gun out,” Noah Dukart told KTTC-TV. “Then my friend said, ‘I dare you,’ and he shot him right in the heart.”
Soccerdad1995 wrote:What's wrong with guy's mug shot? I don't see any tattoos. He has short hair. Looks like a normal guy to me.Pawpaw wrote:There's a (very) little bit more information here: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3759085
One thing that tells me there might be more to the situation:
So, it appears the "victim" may have initially been the aggressor. On the flip side, the mug shot of the shooter does not inspire confidence.The slain teen’s passenger claims he watched his pal, Muhammed Rahim, 17, confront an armed man itching for a fight after their two vehicles crashed Sunday morning in Rochester.
"My friend got in his face, and then the guy we hit pulled a gun out,” Noah Dukart told KTTC-TV. “Then my friend said, ‘I dare you,’ and he shot him right in the heart.”
If I had to randomly guess at the shooter's occupation based solely on the picture, I would probably say either LEO or military.Jusme wrote:Soccerdad1995 wrote:What's wrong with guy's mug shot? I don't see any tattoos. He has short hair. Looks like a normal guy to me.Pawpaw wrote:There's a (very) little bit more information here: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3759085
One thing that tells me there might be more to the situation:
So, it appears the "victim" may have initially been the aggressor. On the flip side, the mug shot of the shooter does not inspire confidence.The slain teen’s passenger claims he watched his pal, Muhammed Rahim, 17, confront an armed man itching for a fight after their two vehicles crashed Sunday morning in Rochester.
"My friend got in his face, and then the guy we hit pulled a gun out,” Noah Dukart told KTTC-TV. “Then my friend said, ‘I dare you,’ and he shot him right in the heart.”
This occurred in Minnesota, very cold outside. Shooter probably had on winter headwear, which was removed for the photo. It's hard to comb your hair while wearing handcuffs. Add the stress of having to use a gun in a SD situation, immediately following a traffic accident, then being arrested. My mug shot would, more than likely, not make the cover of GQ.
Everyone knows that self defense applies as a legal defense only on double dog dares.... Noah Dukart told KTTC-TV. “Then my friend said, ‘I dare you,’ and he shot him right in the heart.”
Excellent point.montgomery wrote:Everyone knows that self defense applies as a legal defense only on double dog dares.... Noah Dukart told KTTC-TV. “Then my friend said, ‘I dare you,’ and he shot him right in the heart.”
