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Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:56 am
by TexasTornado
I really enjoyed reading this article so I thought I'd share.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... 4fd7b2b56e

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:21 am
by joe817
Excellent article T.T.! Thanks for posting! :thumbs2:

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:35 am
by Middle Age Russ
The article itself is OK. Read a bit into the comments, and you get a fine taste of the persuasive power of the anti-gunners. A LOT of the commenters seem to be Bloombergers and completely entrenched. They of course spend plenty of time lamenting "gun violence" and how entrenched the so-called gun-rights people are. I have a difficult time hearing the arguments of people that give properties to inanimate objects that they simply don't possess...

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:50 am
by Smokey613
Middle Age Russ wrote:The article itself is OK. Read a bit into the comments, and you get a fine taste of the persuasive power of the anti-gunners. A LOT of the commenters seem to be Bloombergers and completely entrenched. They of course spend plenty of time lamenting "gun violence" and how entrenched the so-called gun-rights people are. I have a difficult time hearing the arguments of people that give properties to inanimate objects that they simply don't possess...
I have never encountered a violent gun.....

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:01 am
by KD5NRH
Smokey613 wrote:I have never encountered a violent gun.....
A shotgun bit me once.

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:05 am
by Skiprr
Eugene Volokh, for [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.6488591173d9]The Washington Post[/url], wrote:5. Near Spartanburg, S.C., in 2012, Jesse Gates went to his church armed with a shotgun and kicked in a door. But Aaron Guyton, who had a concealed-carry license, drew his gun and pointed it at Gates, and other parishioners then disarmed Gates. Note that in this instance, unlike the others, it’s possible that the criminal wasn’t planning on killing anyone, but just brought the shotgun to church and kicked in the door to draw attention to himself or vent his frustration.
I know my first thoughts and approaches to someone holding a shotgun kicking open my front door would be:
  1. Think he might be there to show me the shotgun, perhaps ask me my opinion of how he has it configured. My first response: ask, "Is that an 870 with an extended tube? Is it a cylinder bore?"
  2. Think that he might be there simply to draw attention to himself. My second response: say, "Hey, how ya doin'! It's great to see you! I was just going to start a pot of fresh coffee. Want to join me and chat a while?"
  3. Think that he might be there to vent frustrations, that he's experiencing stress in his life unrelated to me--or my front door--and just needs someone to listen. My third response: see response #2.
  4. Think that someone kicking in my front door and holding a shotgun might represent a potential threat to my well being. My third response: wait for one of my neighbors to call 911 and for the coroner's wagon to arrive. Because I never got past the first eight syllables of response #1.
:headscratch

Great job by Aaron Guyton and the other parishioners. They stopped a potential tragedy before anyone was killed. Strange, isn't it, how stories like this--those in which no one was shot, stabbed, or blown up--so seldom make the news?

As one of our longtime members (who hasn't been active here in a while) used to say: "My mama always told me that if someone broke into the house, he was not there for iced tea and biscuits."

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:03 pm
by Jusme
Middle Age Russ wrote:The article itself is OK. Read a bit into the comments, and you get a fine taste of the persuasive power of the anti-gunners. A LOT of the commenters seem to be Bloombergers and completely entrenched. They of course spend plenty of time lamenting "gun violence" and how entrenched the so-called gun-rights people are. I have a difficult time hearing the arguments of people that give properties to inanimate objects that they simply don't possess...

The article was written last year, and was in the Washington Post. Not the most conservative of newspapers anyway. The majority of their readers, have probably never even held a gun, much less fired one. They worship at the BHO alter of disarmament.

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:26 pm
by Dave2
KD5NRH wrote:
Smokey613 wrote:I have never encountered a violent gun.....
A shotgun bit me once.
And the safety on an AK cut open that meaty bit of my palm the first time I tried to engage it.

I should've bought that gun.

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:36 am
by K.Mooneyham
If there wasn't a mass shooting, how would it be defined that someone stopped it? And if no third party got shot, would it then be a potential mass shooting, or simply a potential shooting? What if no shots were fired at all, by either the assailant or the defender? Impossible to prove a negative. Once again, I just flat out don't like "liberals" because I simply cannot make sense of their thought processes.

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:18 am
by LucasMcCain
Does anyone remember the doctor that shot someone who appeared to be a mass shooter? I think he was a psychiatrist, and a nurse brought in a patient who shot the nurse in front of him. The doc drew a pistol and shot the guy dead, but his pockets were full of spare magazines. It was a gun free zone, but the hospital didn't fire the doc or anything because it appeared that he saved a lot of lives. I just can't remember the details like the guy's name or where it happened. Maybe one of you can? Seems like it's been a year or two.

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:28 am
by Skiprr
LucasMcCain wrote:Does anyone remember the doctor that shot someone who appeared to be a mass shooter? I think he was a psychiatrist, and a nurse brought in a patient who shot the nurse in front of him. The doc drew a pistol and shot the guy dead, but his pockets were full of spare magazines. It was a gun free zone, but the hospital didn't fire the doc or anything because it appeared that he saved a lot of lives. I just can't remember the details like the guy's name or where it happened. Maybe one of you can? Seems like it's been a year or two.
Don't meant this one, do you? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/26/of ... rests.html

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:33 am
by J.R.@A&M
KD5NRH wrote:
Smokey613 wrote:I have never encountered a violent gun.....
A shotgun bit me once.
I once got a black eye from a 30-06, probably because of the way I was holding her.

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:35 am
by LucasMcCain
Skiprr wrote:
LucasMcCain wrote:Does anyone remember the doctor that shot someone who appeared to be a mass shooter? I think he was a psychiatrist, and a nurse brought in a patient who shot the nurse in front of him. The doc drew a pistol and shot the guy dead, but his pockets were full of spare magazines. It was a gun free zone, but the hospital didn't fire the doc or anything because it appeared that he saved a lot of lives. I just can't remember the details like the guy's name or where it happened. Maybe one of you can? Seems like it's been a year or two.
Don't meant this one, do you? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/26/of ... rests.html
That's the one! Thanks. I forgot the guy survived. It has been a couple years.

Re: Do citizens (not police officers) with guns ever stop mass shootings?

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:40 am
by LucasMcCain
Site has a lot of annoying ads and clickbait. Still, it's got a few good examples.

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/co ... with-guns/