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YES I trust Homeland Security to over see firearms in America ---- NOT!

Isn't this the same DHS that is responsible for the goons at the TSA? Yeah, I can't imagine how that could go wrong at all!

Jeh Johnson belongs in a prison cell. Bunch of commie criminal thugs.

I sure hope that there is enough of us that have the fortitude to stand up when it becomes time to stand up; unfortunately with the current political climate I feel that is sooner rather than later. I think the days of the 2nd amendment are numbered. Call it pessimistic or cynical, but I think it is realistic. There are plenty of people that cry "come and take it" now, but how many people will actually stand by their word?

jb2012 wrote:I sure hope that there is enough of us that have the fortitude to stand up when it becomes time to stand up; unfortunately with the current political climate I feel that is sooner rather than later. I think the days of the 2nd amendment are numbered. Call it pessimistic or cynical, but I think it is realistic. There are plenty of people that cry "come and take it" now, but how many people will actually stand by their word?

All the new gun purchases made during Obama's presidency tend to indicate that people will stand by their word. Its illogical to purchase firearms with the intention of turning them in later.

The agency that lost Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen's accomplice wife has declared war on the Second Amendment. DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said today:

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said Thursday that a gun is “an instrument of terrorism” and that “sensible gun control consistent with the 2nd Amendment” is “a matter of homeland security.”

“I believe that sensible gun control consistent with the 2nd Amendment and consistent with a responsible gun owner’s right to own a gun is a matter of homeland security,” Johnson told the Senate Judiciary Committee in response to a question from Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) on whether it was “a significant security vulnerability” that terrorists can get “powerful firearms” and whether this is being exploited by those who would harm us.

Since when is an AR - 15 or a .223 powered semi automatic rifle concidered a "Powerful Firearm" Will they be going after powerful 9mm handguns next?

When will the criminals in this administration ever see justice---Jeh Johnson, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Hilary Clinton??????????

Don't elect HRC to the white house and Jeh Johnson, Loretta Lynch, et. al. become irrelevant.

Anti-2ndA folks are those who are declaring war. Winning 2016 ELection is the key. However, I am not liking Trump for a second. Our only hope, is the after the GOP convention, Trump would turn 90-degrees and dump his xenophobic view. GOP needs the votes of Latino and Black voters too. Those voters would majority in 2016.

Isn't this the same DHS that --he who shall not be named-- worked for/was contracted by?

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.

Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.

You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless.

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them.

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters.

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up, then the international media.

The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and
That you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you.

Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk, England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 009769.stm

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.

The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except
Shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.
Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.

(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.

Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.

Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few side arms still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.

Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences.

Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law.

The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

To Andy: As always, thanks for posting that link....I think. My blood pressure always rises when I read articles like that. It boggles my mind that there's not a widespread public uproar to unseat these power hungry demagogues who distort truth and reality every way possible. When is America going to wake up???

To Bitter Clinger: Chilling...very chilling. Thanks for posting a true horror story. Are we very far behind in something like that happening here? I pray not.

tbryanh wrote:

jb2012 wrote:I sure hope that there is enough of us that have the fortitude to stand up when it becomes time to stand up; unfortunately with the current political climate I feel that is sooner rather than later. I think the days of the 2nd amendment are numbered. Call it pessimistic or cynical, but I think it is realistic. There are plenty of people that cry "come and take it" now, but how many people will actually stand by their word?

All the new gun purchases made during Obama's presidency tend to indicate that people will stand by their word. Its illogical to purchase firearms with the intention of turning them in later.

I have to disagree, while yes there have been dramatic increases in gun sales, I don't find it indicative to the number of folks who will truly stand up when 3 guys knock on yohr door demanding registration/confiscation. All I have to say is "from my cold dead hands."

jb2012 wrote:

tbryanh wrote:

jb2012 wrote:I sure hope that there is enough of us that have the fortitude to stand up when it becomes time to stand up; unfortunately with the current political climate I feel that is sooner rather than later. I think the days of the 2nd amendment are numbered. Call it pessimistic or cynical, but I think it is realistic. There are plenty of people that cry "come and take it" now, but how many people will actually stand by their word?

All the new gun purchases made during Obama's presidency tend to indicate that people will stand by their word. Its illogical to purchase firearms with the intention of turning them in later.

I have to disagree, while yes there have been dramatic increases in gun sales, I don't find it indicative to the number of folks who will truly stand up when 3 guys knock on yohr door demanding registration/confiscation. All I have to say is "from my cold dead hands."

If it comes to such a thing, the last way to go out is outnumbered, taken by surprise or in a situation where your family or other innocents are at risk.

A situation as outlined would be a war, and wars require tactics, strategy and discipline. One of the first tenets taught to leaders is that if at all possible, you choose the time and place for battle.

When three guys in SWAT gear (maybe five or ten) arrive, be pleasant, compliant and non-confrontational. Give them the junk you have on hand (be sure to have something) and give them no reason to act or have additional suspicion about you.

There'll be a time and place to act.

Jeff B.