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Two months after terrorists gunned down 14 unarmed San Bernardino county workers in a gun-free zone, one local official is calling for county employees to be permitted to carry guns at work and have access to weapons at county facilities.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/04/te ... tcmp=hpbt1

Only the elite can arm themselves?

Well of course, only they matter.

anygunanywhere wrote:Only the elite can arm themselves?

At least it is a start. Sad that 14 people paid for it.

As I understand it, all of the attendees of the function where the shootings occurred were government employees or family of such. They are probably the least likely to seek permits and arm themselves.

Permits are issued, or not, by county sheriffs. Chiefs of police can do so, but virtually all have ceded that function the their Sheriff. Once issued, the permits are good state-wide. Your permit is obtained only from your county of residence.

San Bernardino is one of the easier urban counties to obtain permits. LA and SF are impossible, unless you marry the Sheriff's sister or something, the others go from there, while out in the cow counties east, in the mountains, permits are virtually "shall issue."

It's up to the Sheriff. Orange County was relatively easy until the Sheriff was convicted of some misconduct, not involving CCW permits. His replacement, hired by the Board of Supervisors (think commissioners court) hired a woman police executive from LA who promptly cancelled all those permits.

lildave40 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Only the elite can arm themselves?

At least it is a start. Sad that 14 people paid for it.

Who actually believes that unionized government in California will actually work towards allowing the citizens arm themselves if the government manages to arm the unionized government employees?

JALLEN wrote:As I understand it, all of the attendees of the function where the shootings occurred were government employees or family of such. They are probably the least likely to seek permits and arm themselves.

Permits are issued, or not, by county sheriffs. Chiefs of police can do so, but virtually all have ceded that function the their Sheriff. Once issued, the permits are good state-wide. Your permit is obtained only from your county of residence.

San Bernardino is one of the easier urban counties to obtain permits. LA and SF are impossible, unless you marry the Sheriff's sister or something, the others go from there, while out in the cow counties east, in the mountains, permits are virtually "shall issue."

It's up to the Sheriff. Orange County was relatively easy until the Sheriff was convicted of some misconduct, not involving CCW permits. His replacement, hired by the Board of Supervisors (think commissioners court) hired a woman police executive from LA who promptly cancelled all those permits.

On our last trip to Cali, we were on an elevator in a Target store in Pasadena. There was one other woman on the elevator with us. My son started tugging at his belt, looked at me, and said "it just doesn't feel right". Of course, the unspoken "not having a gun there" was implicit and understood. The other lady smiled, and said "yeah, it feels weird, doesn't it?" Turns out she is from San Bernardino county and has her carry permit! We had a pleasant conversation about the state of affairs in The People's' Republic of Crapulence.

So what you are saying is that you believe that a good guy with gun is possibly able to stop a bad guy with a gun.

Novel idea, maybe we should create some sort of system where any law-abiding adult might be able to carry a pistol in public... and then force the government to allow anyone who meets the minimum qualifications have that ability without having to show good cause. Maybe we can call it something forceful, something like "Shall Issue". Or better yet, "Constitutional Carry".

That should work.

AJSully421 wrote:So what you are saying is that you believe that a good guy with gun is possibly able to stop a bad guy with a gun.

Novel idea, maybe we should create some sort of system where any law-abiding adult might be able to carry a pistol in public... and then force the government to allow anyone who meets the minimum qualifications have that ability without having to show good cause. Maybe we can call it something forceful, something like "Shall Issue". Or better yet, "Constitutional Carry".

That should work.

The Annoyed Man wrote:
On our last trip to Cali, we were on an elevator in a Target store in Pasadena. There was one other woman on the elevator with us. My son started tugging at his belt, looked at me, and said "it just doesn't feel right". Of course, the unspoken "not having a gun there" was implicit and understood. The other lady smiled, and said "yeah, it feels weird, doesn't it?" Turns out she is from San Bernardino county and has her carry permit! We had a pleasant conversation about the state of affairs in The People's' Republic of Crapulence.

She could carry there, not openly of course.

The odds of encountering a person with a permit in CA are very small, about 1 in 800. I doubt there is anything like normal distribution.