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Right now Obama is announcing executive actions on gun control. Check it out on the news. I'm watching it on Kens news right now.

Don't get me started... I was right in the middle of the price is right when it came on and now I'm going to miss the showcase.

Dear leader has prefaced his love for the law of the land by stating 'I believe in the 2nd Amendment.... it's written on that paper...'

Did he really refer to the Constitution (that he should be following) in that manner?

He said the gun lobby's are holding congress hostage. Aren't the gun lobby's funded by the American people?

Rokyudai wrote:Dear leader has prefaced his love for the law of the land by stating 'I believe in the 2nd Amendment.... it's written on that paper...'

Did he really refer to the Constitution (that he should be following) in that manner?

Yes, he has no respect for the Constitution or our way of life as Americans. He is a wannabe tyrant who will use threats, harassment, and intimidation to get what he wants.

It's nice to be a dictator and bypass legislative system like an irrational child who dosent get their way

cbr6864r wrote:He is a lying muslim traitor. He not once mentioned in all those shootings the firearms were illegally obtained. Plus if your going to commit a crime why would you care about gun laws as you already plan on breaking the law. It's all about disarming the American people. Look what those so called refuges are doing in Europe

I'd go and take a breath of fresh air before calling him a "muslim traitor", because I frankly don't care whether he's Muslim or not, it doesn't matter to me. There are plenty of Muslims who are against him and his ISIS pals.
What matters to me is knowing that he is a double speaking tyrannical sociopath, and in my opinion, a traitor.

parabelum wrote:

cbr6864r wrote:He is a lying muslim traitor. He not once mentioned in all those shootings the firearms were illegally obtained. Plus if your going to commit a crime why would you care about gun laws as you already plan on breaking the law. It's all about disarming the American people. Look what those so called refuges are doing in Europe

I'd go and take a breath of fresh air before calling him a "muslim traitor", because I frankly don't care whether he's Muslim or not, it doesn't matter to me. There are plenty of Muslims who are against him and his ISIS pals.
What matters to me is knowing that he is a double speaking tyrannical sociopath, and in my opinion, a traitor.

Agreed. We should have some respect for patriotic Muslims who are on this board and elsewhere in our society.

No, I will not comply.

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see these actions today as much more than pandering to his political base... they don't have much teeth.

1. Internet sales requiring a background check - They already do, unless both buyer and seller are both residents within the same state. If they are within the same state, the transaction falls under state laws. I don't think the EO changes this, as the President is part of the executive branch, not the legislative branch. Only the legislative branch has the power to create law, and these are already on the books as law.

2. Being in the business - What does that mean? That needs to be defined. I don't see how it will affect a person that is selling a personally owned firearm, or even a collection. I have 3 people in my household, and we have 4 cars. If I were to sell one of the cars, or even all 4, that doesn't make me a dealership... Even if I am constantly buying, selling, and trading to build my collection, that does not mean that I am in the business of selling firearms... Unless one is selling for profit and it is part of their livelihood, I just don't see them being "in the business of selling firearms"

3. I am not knowledgeable enough to speak on the NFA items. I understand that the CLEO will be notified, but it appears that the ATF will do that, not the individual or the trust who is obtaining the stamp. It does appear that there are changes though regarding the trust.

Am I off base on this?

The teeth they have is setting precedent. If they survive court rulings in any way, these actions will have expanded the power of the executive branch at the expense of individual liberty -- another step, and perhaps a giant one since it messes with individual rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights, toward tyranny.

cyphertext, I'm basically with you - I don't see anything outlandish in the released text that I've read. From what I can gather and running contrary to social media and some visceral reactions from people that don't seem to have a factual basis:
1) It's not going to take away your guns if you're on social security disability.
2) It's not going to do away with the NFA gun trust. It may do away with the loophole that excludes people in the trust from fingerprints and it may make necessary a background check for anyone named in the trust. I'll admit that the details are a bit sketchy here, so this is subject to correction. I'm not crazy about this part if it defers authority to local law enforcement and they're allowed to have their own political agenda.
3) It addresses resource issues with the current system - which should help reduce applicants that fall through the 3-day window.
4) It may take away your ability to buy guns if you've been adjudicated to not be mentally competent enough to handle your own financial affairs.


Personally, I think that requiring background checks for FFLs and not requiring anything for private sales is simply a waste of resources. Rather than more legislation, I'd prefer to see responsibility for sale passed on to sellers (private party) - but to make that happen we need a red light / green light system when we go to sell a firearm.

Calling Obama a Muslim is either an indication of an inability to check basic facts or it's being used as a derogatory term. We've got Muslims on this forum who are just as pro 2nd amendment the rest of us.

Sit back and enjoy today's rise in stock price of gun manufacturers and the increase in value of what's in your gun safe... :-)

Middle Age Russ wrote:The teeth they have is setting precedent. If they survive court rulings in any way, these actions will have expanded the power of the executive branch at the expense of individual liberty -- another step, and perhaps a giant one since it messes with individual rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights, toward tyranny.

I agree that setting a precedent is their primary objective here, a Trojan Horse for more oppressive usurpation of our Rights.

These actions may not have any impact on us today, but could certainly affect our kids tomorrow.

2) It's not going to do away with the NFA gun trust. It may do away with the loophole that excludes people in the trust from fingerprints and it may make necessary a background check for anyone named in the trust. I'll admit that the details are a bit sketchy here, so this is subject to correction. I'm not crazy about this part if it defers authority to local law enforcement and they're allowed to have their own political agenda.

NFA gun trusts wouldn't exist except that many CLEO's will not sign off for anyone.

I thought after the Heller decision, that we would all start shooting suppressed, just to be polite to our neighbors.

tomneal wrote:

2) It's not going to do away with the NFA gun trust. It may do away with the loophole that excludes people in the trust from fingerprints and it may make necessary a background check for anyone named in the trust. I'll admit that the details are a bit sketchy here, so this is subject to correction. I'm not crazy about this part if it defers authority to local law enforcement and they're allowed to have their own political agenda.

NFA gun trusts wouldn't exist except that many CLEO's will not sign off for anyone.

I thought after the Heller decision, that we would all start shooting suppressed, just to be polite to our neighbors.

Yes, it is also a hearing safety issue.