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Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:23 pm
by Pawpaw
It seems like every campus carry discussion centers around the active shooter scenario. While it's true a good guy with a gun stands a better chance of stopping a shooter, a Texas college student probably has a better chance of hitting the lottery than facing an active shooter in class.

Very little discussion focuses on the more likely scenario of students being crime victims on their way to, from, or between classes. I would like to see the NRA, TSRA, or whoever run a series of TV ads something like this:

The add opens with two girls walking along in the evening, discussing the class they just left. Suddenly they are approached by two undesirable males who immediately start making unwanted advances. Just as they grab the girls, the screen goes black. Next is a static display of a Waco newspaper with a headline that reads, "Two Baylor students found raped and murdered".

Now we see a similar scene (two girls doing the same as before). When they are accosted, one of them (the older one) pulls out a handgun and points it at one of the bad guys. (A red laser dot on his chest would make a good visual.) Suddenly, the two guys remember an urgent appointment elsewhere and take off running into the darkness. The younger girl (both are obviously shaken) turns to the older one who is just putting away her pistol. "You know, I turn 21 next week. Will you help me get my license to carry?" Fade to black.

Next is a screen which reads, "Which ending would you want for your daughter?"

The last screen: "Campus Carry - It's not about the classroom."

I know it's rough around the edges, but what do you think of the idea?

Re: Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:52 pm
by howdy
Glock could make it and incorporate their logo.

Re: Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:36 pm
by AJSully421
howdy wrote:Glock could make it and incorporate their logo.
Love the idea. Have Gunny at the end... "Somebody picked the wrong girls".

Re: Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:53 pm
by Jago668
Sounds like a good deal to me. We've already got campus carry though, would have been more effective during the fight for it. Could still be used in states that have carry, but no campus carry. Or as said, I'm sure Glock would love to put their name on it.

Re: Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:45 am
by Pawpaw
Jago668 wrote:Sounds like a good deal to me. We've already got campus carry though, would have been more effective during the fight for it. Could still be used in states that have carry, but no campus carry. Or as said, I'm sure Glock would love to put their name on it.
Private universities are still able to "opt out" and it looks like some public universities are going to try to make it as difficult as possible. It feels like we're only dipping a toe into CC and there''s a lot more to be done before it will really feel like we truly have it.

Re: Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:40 am
by MeMelYup
Pawpaw wrote:It seems like every campus carry discussion centers around the active shooter scenario. While it's true a good guy with a gun stands a better chance of stopping a shooter, a Texas college student probably has a better chance of hitting the lottery than facing an active shooter in class.

Very little discussion focuses on the more likely scenario of students being crime victims on their way to, from, or between classes. I would like to see the NRA, TSRA, or whoever run a series of TV ads something like this:

The add opens with two girls walking along in the evening, discussing the class they just left. Suddenly they are approached by two undesirable males who immediately start making unwanted advances. Just as they grab the girls, the screen goes black. Next is a static display of a Waco newspaper with a headline that reads, "Two Baylor students found raped and murdered".

Now we see a similar scene (two girls doing the same as before). When they are accosted, one of them (the older one) pulls out a handgun and points it at one of the bad guys. (A red laser dot on his chest would make a good visual.) Suddenly, the two guys remember an urgent appointment elsewhere and take off running into the darkness. The younger girl (both are obviously shaken) turns to the older one who is just putting away her pistol. "You know, I turn 21 next week. Will you help me get my license to carry?" Fade to black.

Next is a screen which reads, "Which ending would you want for your daughter?"

The last screen: "Campus Carry - It's not about the classroom."

I know it's rough around the edges, but what do you think of the idea?
Show a professor or admin person being robbed and ruffed up a little as a possible different sinario.

Re: Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:58 pm
by Pawpaw
MeMelYup wrote:Show a professor or admin person being robbed and ruffed up a little as a possible different sinario.
I like it! You could end it with the prof, lying in a hospital bed, talking to a friend. The friend says out loud, "If there was only something that would keep you safe on the way to your car."

Then bring up the same last screen in my example: "Campus Carry - It's not about the classroom."

Re: Campus Carry: Why do we push the wrong issue?

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:39 pm
by LSUTiger
It seems like we push the wrong issue on a lot of things, like the 2nd amendment itself.

Caution Rant Ahead:
The real reason for it (2A) and why it is timeless and will never be outdated or irrelevant is because first and foremost it is for defense against tyranny and oppression both foreign and domestic, including and especially our own government when they go to far.

No one wants to discuss that, instead we focus on secondary reasons like defense against crime, hunting and target competition/sports shooting. The secondary reasons are valid reasons but let us not lose sight of the primary reason it exists.

Meanwhile, the elite have convinced many sheeple into opposition of the 2A because they know that if they can get rid of guns they can do as they please and the citizenry would have little recourse against the armed government.

When they come for your guns to take away your ability to oppose government control precisely one of the reasons the 2A was created for and is historically the final act that sparked armed conflict in the Revolutionary war.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/revwartimeline.htm

http://www.ushistory.org/us/11c.asp

The other side understands the real reason behind the 2A, if we can get the sheeple to think in a broader true context of the 2A they might look at guns/gun control efforts differently.



Without Rant:
Yes sometimes we push the wrong argument. We often let the other side control the argument and focus. We must make the right arguments.