Rancher defending his bull, dies in deputy shootout

[philip964]

http://news.yahoo.com/rancher-dies-shoo ... 11243.html

Idaho. First officer involved shooting in the Counties history. Anti gunners loving it.

[MONGOOSE]

If the road is open range, the deputies might be in trouble.

[puma guy]

Idaho is a free range state and though no indication of whether it was in the city limits was mentioned the law is on the side of the owner of the livestock outside city limits. It is illegal inside city limits. (see first link). The next two links deal with at large animals. There are not enough details to make any judgment on this shooting. IMHO In a situation such as this I don't know if the owner would be justified in protecting his bull or not.
https://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Ti ... 5-2112.htm
https://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Ti ... 5-2118.htm
https://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Ti ... 5-2119.htm

[MONGOOSE]

Idaho does have "herd" districts where animals are required to be fenced. However, I find no herd districts within Adams county where this incident took place. If so the bull had the right to be on the road way and the rancher had the right to protect his property. The car owner would have been liable for any damage to the bull or his or her vehicle.
If this is true and the deputies are ignorant of the law, they should be charged with second degree murder.

[ELB]

If the accident was in an open range county (not all are, some are "herd districts") and not on a federal highway, then the driver of the car involved will likely be liable for hitting the bull, and the rancher (or his estate) not liable for the accident. I just don't see any implementation of an open range law that will put the deputies in legal jeopardy if they deemed the first responders were in physical jeopardy from the bull and they shot it. The most that would have happened is the county paying a civil payment. As to what happened between the rancher and the deputies, whoever can be shown to have used or threatened to use unlawful deadly force against the other will be the ones having a problem. Should wait for more details, but my money is not on the deputies having a problem with this either.

[MONGOOSE]

If this proves to be open range then the public is responsible for avoiding the bull not killing it. Where are the ranchers property rights. Don't like the law? Move or change it.

[VoiceofReason]

Come on people. It was on a highway, it was charging first responders “as they worked to get the driver and passenger out of the car”.

The deputies get a little paid vacation then back to work and the owner of the bull got what he deserved.

[VMI77]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11 ... m=Firewire

According to KTVB-TV, soon after Yantis arrived on the scene to find his injured bull, he and the two deputies with the Adams County Sheriff’s Office became involved in what has been labeled a shootout.

Rowdy Paradis, the Yantis’ nephew, told the Statesman that Yantis had retrieved a rifle and was about to put down the agitated bull — who had a shattered leg — when one deputy came up behind him and grabbed his shoulder, spinning him around. Paradis said he did not notice any conversation between Yantis and the deputies prior to the altercation.

Paradis said that Yantis, with the rifle still in his hands and pointed at the ground, tried to regain his footing after the deputy grabbed him. He added that he is not sure whether or not the rifle discharged but conceded that it might have accidentally gone off when the deputy grabbed Jack and spun him or when the deputies began to shoot at Jack — hitting the hand holding the rifle.

Donna Yantis said she screamed at the deputies to stop as she watched her husband, who was shot in the chest and abdomen, fall to the ground. When the deputies did not move to help the rancher, even after he was on the ground, she and Paradis began to run toward him but were quickly stopped.

“And then they threatened me and my nephew … threw us on the middle of Highway 95, searched us and handcuffed us, and wouldn’t let us go take care of Jack,” Donna said.

Paradis added that one deputy pointed his gun at Paradis’ head. A family friend who was on scene and also tried to help Jack was handcuffed as well.

That’s when Donna had a heart attack. She was eventually airlifted to a hospital in Boise were she remained on Sunday.

[philip964]

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/loca ... 54638.html

More information on the death of the rancher.

Don't know much about the leanings if any of the Idaho Statesman.

[VMI77]

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/loca ... 54638.html

More information on the death of the rancher.

Don't know much about the leanings if any of the Idaho Statesman.

Just saw that....account basics similar but a lot more detail.

“I put the (skid loader’s) lights on him and the bull, and he lined up to shoot the bull in the back of head and put him out humanely,” Paradis said.

The rifle’s barrel was about 2 feet from the bull, and Jack Yantis’ finger was on the trigger.

“Everything was going as planned. … I did not notice any conversation at all” between Jack Yantis and the deputies, Paradis said. “Then the one cop turned around and grabbed his shoulder and jerked him backwards.”

The deputy came from behind, spun Yantis around and grabbed the rifle’s scope, Paradis said.

The deputy pushed Yantis. The rifle was still in Yantis’ hands, its barrel pointed at the ground. Yantis was trying to regain his footing.

Meanwhile, the bull was still alive, slowly bleeding out on the roadway. Family members asked the deputies to put it down to end its suffering. No one did.

“The bull ended up lying there for two hours,” Paradis said, “suffocating in his own lung blood because they shot him in the gut.”

Several of the residents of Adams County have complained to us that the death of Jack is the tragic result of a much bigger problem and pattern of abuse in Adams County.

Matthew Taylor, lawyer for Yantis family

[MONGOOSE]

If the story is accurate, hopefully , the two Deputies see hard jail time and the county looses a large law suit

[Pariah3j]

If the story is accurate, hopefully , the two Deputies see hard jail time and the county looses a large law suit

[puma guy]

Come on people. It was on a highway, it was charging first responders “as they worked to get the driver and passenger out of the car”.

The deputies get a little paid vacation then back to work and the owner of the bull got what he deserved.

Just got back to reading this thread. Regardless of the outcome of the investigation in the death of the rancher, I believe that's the most callous, cruel and disrespectful statement I've ever read on this forum. I can only imagine your were being sarcastic.

[VoiceofReason]

Come on people. It was on a highway, it was charging first responders “as they worked to get the driver and passenger out of the car”.

The deputies get a little paid vacation then back to work and the owner of the bull got what he deserved.

Just got back to reading this thread. Regardless of the outcome of the investigation in the death of the rancher, I believe that's the most callous, cruel and disrespectful statement I've ever read on this forum. I can only imagine your were being sarcastic.

If the road is open range, the deputies might be in trouble.

Idaho does have "herd" districts where animals are required to be fenced. However, I find no herd districts within Adams county where this incident took place. If so the bull had the right to be on the road way and the rancher had the right to protect his property. The car owner would have been liable for any damage to the bull or his or her vehicle.
If this is true and the deputies are ignorant of the law, they should be charged with second degree murder.

If the accident was in an open range county (not all are, some are "herd districts") and not on a federal highway, then the driver of the car involved will likely be liable for hitting the bull, and the rancher (or his estate) not liable for the accident. I just don't see any implementation of an open range law that will put the deputies in legal jeopardy if they deemed the first responders were in physical jeopardy from the bull and they shot it. The most that would have happened is the county paying a civil payment. As to what happened between the rancher and the deputies, whoever can be shown to have used or threatened to use unlawful deadly force against the other will be the ones having a problem. Should wait for more details, but my money is not on the deputies having a problem with this either.

If this proves to be open range then the public is responsible for avoiding the bull not killing it. Where are the ranchers property rights. Don't like the law? Move or change it.

If that’s “the most callous, cruel and disrespectful statement you’ve ever read on this forum then you didn’t read the statements I emphasized above.

At the time of my comment there was discussion under the headline "Rancher defending his bull, dies in deputy shootout". Comments were being made that sounded like the injured people in the car were being blamed and should be punished, and the rancher was in the right defending his bull with deadly force.

My comment was to remind folks that two or maybe four human lives are worth more than any bull, the deputies will not be punished, and if the rancher threatened the deputies with a gun then he got what he deserved.

[mojo84]

I think a video from either a body or dash camera would be very helpful in determining what actually happened.

Maybe I need to re-read the articles but I just don't get the impression the rancher had the intent to use his gun to inflict harm on the cops or other people. It also appears some bad judgement was used by several people involved including the rancher.