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Re: Britain stats

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:47 am
by joe817
Very interesting reading Andy. Sad but interesting. The police chiefs get a bonus in their paycheck for lowering crime rates, then alter reality to fit their justification to getting the bonus's. Deceiving the public by publishing their doctored crime stats. Incredible! Talk about looking through rose colored glasses.

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:12 pm
by WildBill
joe817 wrote:Very interesting reading Andy. Sad but interesting. The police chiefs get a bonus in their paycheck for lowering crime rates, then alter reality to fit their justification to getting the bonus's. Deceiving the public by publishing their doctored crime stats. Incredible! Talk about looking through rose colored glasses.
Not a whole lot different than many private businesses.

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:14 pm
by Abraham
"Deceiving the public by publishing their doctored crime stats. Incredible!"

Wouldn't that be a crime?

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:22 pm
by joe817
Abraham wrote:"Deceiving the public by publishing their doctored crime stats. Incredible!"

Wouldn't that be a crime?
In order to get their bonus's, yes definitely. Corruption comes to mind. OTOH, to doctor(read lower) the true crime stats, is to justify the position that the politicians are seeking. Sounds kind of familiar here in the US doesn't it?

Their "Methodology" of reporting murders is totally bogus. It's reported a murder, ONLY after conviction....not at the time of the murder/death. Can stats get any more skewed than that?

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:16 pm
by C-dub
Which means, if there's no conviction, there's no murder. However, they still got a dead body and someone is minus one family member.

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:21 pm
by joe817
C-dub wrote:Which means, if there's no conviction, there's no murder. However, they still got a dead body and someone is minus one family member.
Yup. Totally accurate statement C-dub.

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:31 pm
by WildBill
joe817 wrote:
C-dub wrote:Which means, if there's no conviction, there's no murder. However, they still got a dead body and someone is minus one family member.
Yup. Totally accurate statement C-dub.
To carry this line of "reasoning" one step further. If you fire all of the police, the murder rate drops to zero. Amazing! :thumbs2:

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:30 am
by gthaustex
Very interesting reading. Thanks for posting this....

Re: Britain stats

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:58 am
by VMI77
WildBill wrote:
joe817 wrote:Very interesting reading Andy. Sad but interesting. The police chiefs get a bonus in their paycheck for lowering crime rates, then alter reality to fit their justification to getting the bonus's. Deceiving the public by publishing their doctored crime stats. Incredible! Talk about looking through rose colored glasses.
Not a whole lot different than many private businesses.
Whenever there is a financial incentive to play with the stats people are going to play with the stats. When I was in the military the motive was less financial and more political, but nearly every stat that might lead to any kind of negative or positive consequences was manipulated. In my 17 or so years with a NYSE exchange traded corporation I never saw an honest representation of anything that might undermine a financial benefit or gain for those in charge.