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Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:32 am
by PBR
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Democratic Senators Ed Markey (D-Mass.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) have put forth a bill that could drastically impact gun sales in America.

Last week Markey and Warren introduced The “Handgun Trigger Safety Act”. It would mandate that in 10 years “anyone selling a handgun must retrofit it with personalization technology before that sale can be completed.”

I can see this having a huge impact on prices if was to happen.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:12 am
by Excaliber
Police will oppose this vigorously, as will the NRA. Its chance of passage is close to zero.

This is another nuisance / posturing gimmick to draw attention and energy away from the real issues like ISIS and TPP.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:13 am
by MechAg94
By "personalization technology" I am going out on a limb and assuming this isn't about installing a custom trigger. :mrgreen:

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:18 am
by Abraham
They too know it won't pass, but it plays well to their base.

Their dopey constituency loves this sort of thing and convinces them their chosen pinheads are working hard at slowing down "gun violence".

It helps keep these loathsome two elected.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:29 am
by The Wall
Don't people know that the politicians they vote for is a reflection of their intelligence? If the people I voted for did or said something as stupid as this they would hear about it and lose my vote. The people that continue to vote these idiots into office are just as stupid in my opinion.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:29 am
by Abraham
Liberals love stupidity dressed up as compassion.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:44 am
by howdy
Abraham wrote:Liberals love stupidity dressed up as compassion.
Great quote. I will start using it.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:59 pm
by gthaustex
Once the police, military and groups like the DSS, Secret Service and Capitol Police have had a chance to work out the kinks in this over a few years......oh wait, they will be exempt.

:mad5

I also don't like the thought that the government could potentially disable a firearm remotely....don't tell me that wouldn't be a (hidden) feature.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:42 pm
by Jim Beaux
Abraham wrote:Liberals love oppression dressed up as compassion.
Sorry Abe, just couldnt resist.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:52 am
by JSThane
gthaustex wrote:Once the police, military and groups like the DSS, Secret Service and Capitol Police have had a chance to work out the kinks in this over a few years......oh wait, they will be exempt.

:mad5

I also don't like the thought that the government could potentially disable a firearm remotely....don't tell me that wouldn't be a (hidden) feature.
First, they can't do it, because it's technologically impossible and economically unfeasible even if the "bugs" were worked out. There's millions upon millions of handguns in the United States, with hundreds of designs and thousands of models. You would need a separate trigger design for each one, and most don't have -room- in the gun for it. I'd like to see a "smart trigger" for a 1911, not to mention a little NAA Mini!

Second, they can't do it, because of the above reasons, and because almost every gun owner would be a scofflaw and not "convert" their firearms. The sheer cost of fitting a "smart trigger" to each and every pistol in America is incredibly prohibitive.

Third, they can't do it, because I suspect that, even were it cost-effective and technologically feasible, we would -still- scofflaw. With millions of gun-owners in America, we know it's impossible to force all of us to convert or give up all of our handguns. Even if they go after a few to "make examples," all that will do is encourage many to hold on to, retain, and hide, the rest of them.

Fourth, they can't do it, because most law enforcement would flat-out refuse to engage in the kind of tyranny required to enforce this sort of idea.

And fifth, they can't do it, because not only would this last less time in the courts before being overturned than a snowball in the "hot place," but most of those who voted for it would be bounced out of office so quickly it'd make burning magnesium seem glacial in comparison.

This is pandering and posturing, pure and simple. It does, however, demonstrate exactly how much power they'd -like- to have, as well as demonstrating the kind of tyranny they want to lead. Make no mistake, there are those people out there, in this country, with fingers near levers of power, who are jealous of Stalin, Mao, and Hitler, for the kinds of power they wielded.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:48 pm
by bmwrdr
I am not trying to support evil and stupidity but RFID technology would be the key technology.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:58 pm
by Dave2
bmwrdr wrote:I am not trying to support evil and stupidity but RFID technology would be the key technology.
How? I mean yeah, you could glue an RFID tag on my gun somewhere, but that won't magically make it a "smart" gun.

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:23 am
by Excaliber
bmwrdr wrote:I am not trying to support evil and stupidity but RFID technology would be the key technology.
I understand the technology, but how do you get the charge dependent battery and the extra points of failure presented by the electronics / mechanical interface out of the mix?

Here's another thought:

How often do you clean your gun when you haven' fired it?

Extend that thought: How often do you think you'd charge or test and replace the RFID circuit's battery?

How smart does that "smart" technology look when you pull the trigger in the 1.5 seconds you have to resolve a deadly threat and nothing happens?

Re: Senate Bill: ‘Must Retrofit’ Handgun with Smart Gun Tech

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:27 pm
by bmwrdr
Dave2 wrote:
bmwrdr wrote:I am not trying to support evil and stupidity but RFID technology would be the key technology.
How? I mean yeah, you could glue an RFID tag on my gun somewhere, but that won't magically make it a "smart" gun.
That's right but a smartphone isn't really smart either. The point is, technology makes it possible and common sense is a different story.