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It would not surprise me how many people consent based on a lie by an officer since LEOs are not required to be truthful to us. Are there any consequences at all for an officer that does lie to get consent for a search?mojo84 wrote:I've had cops tell me people usually consent to a search when they tell people it could take 30-45 minutes to get a dog there to sniff the car. People usually give in and consent to the officer search thinking it will save time.
Another tactic is to lie to the person and say it's much better for them and the cop can help them if they consent to the search rather than forcing them to get a warrant. Them a judge will be involved and the cop can no longer help them IF something is found.
I bet we would be surprised how many people consent based upon lies and thinking they can get on there way quicker.
Games some cops play.
I think that you already know the answer to that question.C-dub wrote:It would not surprise me how many people consent based on a lie by an officer since LEOs are not required to be truthful to us. Are there any consequences at all for an officer that does lie to get consent for a search?
Not in this life.C-dub wrote:It would not surprise me how many people consent based on a lie by an officer since LEOs are not required to be truthful to us. Are there any consequences at all for an officer that does lie to get consent for a search?mojo84 wrote:I've had cops tell me people usually consent to a search when they tell people it could take 30-45 minutes to get a dog there to sniff the car. People usually give in and consent to the officer search thinking it will save time.
Another tactic is to lie to the person and say it's much better for them and the cop can help them if they consent to the search rather than forcing them to get a warrant. Them a judge will be involved and the cop can no longer help them IF something is found.
I bet we would be surprised how many people consent based upon lies and thinking they can get on there way quicker.
Games some cops play.
"That's fine officer, I've got all day. You?"mojo84 wrote:I've had cops tell me people usually consent to a search when they tell people it could take 30-45 minutes to get a dog there to sniff the car.
Lies uttered by police are just one tactic (legal) to out the bad guys. If they fall for it let the chips fall with them.
Of course that's all true. And they don't have to lie to us either, but it is perfectly legal if they do. However, it does make me wonder, just a little, how many crimes would actually be solved if LE couldn't lie.VoiceofReason wrote:You don't have to lie, you don't have to say anything.
Stand there while he talks and lies until his shorts droop. Give the impression you are extremely interested in everything he says. When he is done talking, tell him he does not have permission to search. Then ask him if you are under arrest or free to go.
Be sure to turn the recorder app on your phone on when you see red & blue.
I am pro LEO but some of the things a few of them do makes me mad. They are destroying the respect people have for LE.
It's hard for me to respect and trust people who lie to me and try to take advantage of my ignorance combined with intimidation to coerce me into giving up my rights. I want to believe LE has my best interest at heart. But I know they are only interested in making an arrest. In reality its to easy for innocent people to get caught up in the system because they trusted the police, "cooperate and everything will be fine, I've done nothing wrong" or so they thought.C-dub wrote:Of course that's all true. And they don't have to lie to us either, but it is perfectly legal if they do. However, it does make me wonder, just a little, how many crimes would actually be solved if LE couldn't lie.VoiceofReason wrote:You don't have to lie, you don't have to say anything.
Stand there while he talks and lies until his shorts droop. Give the impression you are extremely interested in everything he says. When he is done talking, tell him he does not have permission to search. Then ask him if you are under arrest or free to go.
Be sure to turn the recorder app on your phone on when you see red & blue.
I am pro LEO but some of the things a few of them do makes me mad. They are destroying the respect people have for LE.
I had it happen to me locally. Allow us to search or we wait for the dog, ETA 30min or so.mojo84 wrote:I've had cops tell me people usually consent to a search when they tell people it could take 30-45 minutes to get a dog there to sniff the car. People usually give in and consent to the officer search thinking it will save time.
The secret is, sometimes they are just bluffing with no intention of waiting for the dog either.cb1000rider wrote:I had it happen to me locally. Allow us to search or we wait for the dog, ETA 30min or so.mojo84 wrote:I've had cops tell me people usually consent to a search when they tell people it could take 30-45 minutes to get a dog there to sniff the car. People usually give in and consent to the officer search thinking it will save time.
Waiting for the dog didn't bother me. When they told me that the dog would search "all over" the car - including the hood, trunk, I caved.
They found nothing. Upside: Didn't issue a ticket. I considered it a wash, but installed recording equipment soon after.
Glad this ruling is out there. Next time we wait for the dog.. :-)
Makes me wonder how many of those huge stops where they find 30KG of cocaine and the driver "agreed" to be searched were actually agreed to...
