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Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:52 am
by ELB
North Carolina Blogger "No lawyers - only Guns and Money" is looking into the lawyers who work for the Brady mob:
http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/20 ... apple.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This project [Brady's "Stop Bad Apple Gun Dealers"] was the topic of a presentation by Florida attorney Cord Byrd at 18th Annual Firearms Law Seminar. Byrd discussed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, the statutory exceptions to the qualified civil liability immunity that it provides, and how the Brady Center is seeking to use state courts to pierce the veil of PLCAA's immunity protection. Byrd then discussed the case of Allen v. Lock N Load where he is the defense counsel to the owners of Lock N Load.
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In bringing these cases, the Brady Center attorneys are assisted pro bono by lawyers with large law firms. In this case, it is attorneys from the international law firm of White and Case which has 38 offices in 26 countries. It has US offices in LA, New York, Silicon Valley, Washington, and Miami. They have approximately 1,900 attorneys. By contrast, Cord Byrd is a solo practitioner in Jacksonville Beach, FL concentrating on civil litigation.
... I will be profiling what I call "Bad Apple Lawyers". These are the attorneys who either work for the Brady Center or for these major law firms who are, to be blunt, conspiring to steal our Second Amendment rights. ...
I will be starting this series with Jonathan Lowy who heads the Brady Center's Legal Action Project and who was just forced to withdraw from one of their cases in Wisconsin for violating Wisconsin's rules of professional conduct concerning trial publicity
Go read the whole post, there's lots more. Should make for an interesting read, and his blog has lots of other interesting stuff as well.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:43 am
by Charles L. Cotton
ELB wrote:North Carolina Blogger "No lawyers - only Guns and Money" is looking into the lawyers who work for the Brady mob:
http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/20 ... apple.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This project [Brady's "Stop Bad Apple Gun Dealers"] was the topic of a presentation by Florida attorney Cord Byrd at 18th Annual Firearms Law Seminar. Byrd discussed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, the statutory exceptions to the qualified civil liability immunity that it provides, and how the Brady Center is seeking to use state courts to pierce the veil of PLCAA's immunity protection. Byrd then discussed the case of Allen v. Lock N Load where he is the defense counsel to the owners of Lock N Load.
...
In bringing these cases, the Brady Center attorneys are assisted pro bono by lawyers with large law firms. In this case, it is attorneys from the international law firm of White and Case which has 38 offices in 26 countries. It has US offices in LA, New York, Silicon Valley, Washington, and Miami. They have approximately 1,900 attorneys. By contrast, Cord Byrd is a solo practitioner in Jacksonville Beach, FL concentrating on civil litigation.
... I will be profiling what I call "Bad Apple Lawyers". These are the attorneys who either work for the Brady Center or for these major law firms who are, to be blunt, conspiring to steal our Second Amendment rights. ...
I will be starting this series with Jonathan Lowy who heads the Brady Center's Legal Action Project and who was just forced to withdraw from one of their cases in Wisconsin for violating Wisconsin's rules of professional conduct concerning trial publicity
Go read the whole post, there's lots more. Should make for an interesting read, and his blog has lots of other interesting stuff as well.
Cord spoke the NRA National Firearms Law Seminar on Friday during the NRA convention in Nashville. I was moderator for the seminar and I thoroughly enjoyed his presentation. He had a lot of people asking him questions during the breaks. And he's a young guy, not an old fart like me!
Chas.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:30 pm
by tomneal
It's odd but all the lawyers I know are shooters, and they are pro 2nd amendment.
Maybe it's just bad sampling.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:43 pm
by The Annoyed Man
I worked for 9 years for the largest legal publisher west of the Mississippi, with law journals all over the western U.S. Almost all of the reporters and editorial staff were themselves members of the bar, and it was generally speaking enough of a negative experience—through no actions of my own—to cause me to look askance at the whole industry. Nevertheless, I have also known splendid people of high integrity who are attorneys, one of whom is one of my very best friends. That old Shakespearean quote about "first kill all of the lawyers" is often quoted way out of context. Taken IN context, the quote is meant to show how important lawyers are to an orderly and just society. The real problem of course is not that the profession is inherently a bad one, but rather that because of the power that emanates from being in the profession, it often draws people of low character to it.......just like political careers. Since character is unrelated to intelligence, lack of it is no impediment to passing the bar. And, the bar often has a different idea of what constitutes justice than it means to people of average means who find themselves on the receiving end of someone else's legal attack dog.
The problem isn't the profession, it is mankind's fallen condition.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:50 pm
by JSThane
tomneal wrote:It's odd but all the lawyers I know are shooters, and they are pro 2nd amendment.
Maybe it's just bad sampling.
Or a good sampling.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:26 am
by jimlongley
Better Call Saul.
I am reminded, somewhat, of a day in the late 1970s when I boarded an elevator in the NY State Legislative Office Building and a young attorney/legislator of some note got on behind me carrying a large, and lit, cigar. I pointed out to this esteemed being that there was a law in NY State, that he himself had helped pass, making it illegal to smoke in an elevator, and his response was that he wasn't smoking, the cigar was. This interaction as well as a few others of a similar nature, has colored my opinion of attorneys and legislators ever since.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:06 am
by mojo84
jimlongley wrote:Better Call Saul.
I am reminded, somewhat, of a day in the late 1970s when I boarded an elevator in the NY State Legislative Office Building and a young attorney/legislator of some note got on behind me carrying a large, and lit, cigar. I pointed out to this esteemed being that there was a law in NY State, that he himself had helped pass, making it illegal to smoke in an elevator, and his response was that he wasn't smoking, the cigar was. This interaction as well as a few others of a similar nature, has colored my opinion of attorneys and legislators ever since.
I wonder if this attorney posts on here.

Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:56 pm
by jimlongley
mojo84 wrote:jimlongley wrote:Better Call Saul.
I am reminded, somewhat, of a day in the late 1970s when I boarded an elevator in the NY State Legislative Office Building and a young attorney/legislator of some note got on behind me carrying a large, and lit, cigar. I pointed out to this esteemed being that there was a law in NY State, that he himself had helped pass, making it illegal to smoke in an elevator, and his response was that he wasn't smoking, the cigar was. This interaction as well as a few others of a similar nature, has colored my opinion of attorneys and legislators ever since.
I wonder if this attorney posts on here.

No, his name is Sheldon Silver, and some of his chickens have come home to roost.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:12 pm
by The Annoyed Man
jimlongley wrote:mojo84 wrote:jimlongley wrote:Better Call Saul.
I am reminded, somewhat, of a day in the late 1970s when I boarded an elevator in the NY State Legislative Office Building and a young attorney/legislator of some note got on behind me carrying a large, and lit, cigar. I pointed out to this esteemed being that there was a law in NY State, that he himself had helped pass, making it illegal to smoke in an elevator, and his response was that he wasn't smoking, the cigar was. This interaction as well as a few others of a similar nature, has colored my opinion of attorneys and legislators ever since.
I wonder if this attorney posts on here.

No, his name is Sheldon Silver, and some of his chickens have come home to roost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Silver
Sheldon "Shelly" Silver (born February 13, 1944) is an American lawyer and Democratic politician from New York, who rose to become Speaker of the New York State Assembly in 1994. On January 30, 2015, eight days after his arrest on federal corruption charges, Silver submitted his resignation as Speaker, effective February 2, in order to defend himself against the charges.
{——SNIP——}
He was first elected to the Assembly in 1976 and rose to key committee leadership positions. He represents the 65th Assembly District (previously numbered 62nd, 63rd and 64th), comprising much of Lower Manhattan, notably Wall Street and the former World Trade Center site.
Jim, I'm guessing this is your man?
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:20 pm
by jimlongley
The Annoyed Man wrote:jimlongley wrote:mojo84 wrote:jimlongley wrote:Better Call Saul.
I am reminded, somewhat, of a day in the late 1970s when I boarded an elevator in the NY State Legislative Office Building and a young attorney/legislator of some note got on behind me carrying a large, and lit, cigar. I pointed out to this esteemed being that there was a law in NY State, that he himself had helped pass, making it illegal to smoke in an elevator, and his response was that he wasn't smoking, the cigar was. This interaction as well as a few others of a similar nature, has colored my opinion of attorneys and legislators ever since.
I wonder if this attorney posts on here.

No, his name is Sheldon Silver, and some of his chickens have come home to roost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Silver
Sheldon "Shelly" Silver (born February 13, 1944) is an American lawyer and Democratic politician from New York, who rose to become Speaker of the New York State Assembly in 1994. On January 30, 2015, eight days after his arrest on federal corruption charges, Silver submitted his resignation as Speaker, effective February 2, in order to defend himself against the charges.
{——SNIP——}
He was first elected to the Assembly in 1976 and rose to key committee leadership positions. He represents the 65th Assembly District (previously numbered 62nd, 63rd and 64th), comprising much of Lower Manhattan, notably Wall Street and the former World Trade Center site.
Jim, I'm guessing this is your man?
Yeah, he's the guy, a NY City machine politician of the first order.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:33 pm
by mojo84
I think the term for my comment that best describes my comment is, facetious.

Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:26 pm
by thatguyoverthere
Better Call Saul.
I am reminded, somewhat, of a day in the late 1970s when I boarded an elevator in the NY State Legislative Office Building and a young attorney/legislator of some note got on behind me carrying a large, and lit, cigar. I pointed out to this esteemed being that there was a law in NY State, that he himself had helped pass, making it illegal to smoke in an elevator, and his response was that he wasn't smoking, the cigar was. This interaction as well as a few others of a similar nature, has colored my opinion of attorneys and legislators ever since.
I'm no tough guy, not even behind a keyboard, so I'm not suggesting I would have done this, it just struck me as a funny thought... you should have snatched the cigar out of his mouth, stomped it out on the floor, and said: "there. I took care of it for you. Now your cigar's not smoking any more."

Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:12 am
by jimlongley
thatguyoverthere wrote:Better Call Saul.
I am reminded, somewhat, of a day in the late 1970s when I boarded an elevator in the NY State Legislative Office Building and a young attorney/legislator of some note got on behind me carrying a large, and lit, cigar. I pointed out to this esteemed being that there was a law in NY State, that he himself had helped pass, making it illegal to smoke in an elevator, and his response was that he wasn't smoking, the cigar was. This interaction as well as a few others of a similar nature, has colored my opinion of attorneys and legislators ever since.
I'm no tough guy, not even behind a keyboard, so I'm not suggesting I would have done this, it just struck me as a funny thought... you should have snatched the cigar out of his mouth, stomped it out on the floor, and said: "there. I took care of it for you. Now your cigar's not smoking any more."

The cigar was in his hand, and he actually held it up to show me that it was indeed the cigar that was smoking, not he, but before I could respond, the ride ended. I was going to place the cigar under citizens' arrest and take it to the Capital Buildings Police Officer that I knew was sitting at a desk just a few feet from the elevator.
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:04 pm
by Jumping Frog
jimlongley wrote:No, his name is Sheldon Silver, and some of his chickens have come home to roost.
Yep, sure have.
Sheldon Silver Faces New Charge in Corruption Case
Revised indictment adds to charges against Silver
Report: New charges claim Sheldon Silver invested kickback money in Upstate
Some other headlines:
Taxpayers footing the bill for Sheldon Silver’s corruption saga
The Albany cesspool
Silver’s daughter a target in husband’s fraud probe
Sheldon Silver son-in-law busted by feds in alleged Ponzi scheme
Re: Bad Apple Lawyers...
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 10:59 am
by ELB
No lawyers - Only Guns and Money put up his first
Bad Apple Lawyer review:
http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/20 ... orist.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;