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“There are just some conditions that we have to adhere to and the shooting of guns, even with blanks, is something we don’t feel is appropriate given society, and the concerns that we have and that the community has, on school premises.” Said Tim Libham, the Executive Director of Administration for the Eau Claire School District.

The anti gun crowd doesn't just want to ban guns, they want to ban even the concept of guns and self-defense. The same conditioning that's been going on in the UK.

That is really sad.

why is it sad, veterans day isn't for anyone who has died in service to our country, its for the living and a 21 gun salute is inappropriate as Obama saying he's a us citizen, republican and person who doesn't believe in socialism. Those who have passed have and deserve the recognition of memorial day NOT veterans day period!

JP171 wrote:why is it sad, veterans day isn't for anyone who has died in service to our country, its for the living and a 21 gun salute is inappropriate as Obama saying he's a us citizen, republican and person who doesn't believe in socialism. Those who have passed have and deserve the recognition of memorial day NOT veterans day period!

The "Three Volley Salute" at military funerals is not a 21 Gun Salute. When by decree a 21 Gun Salute is rendered are:

In 1842, the Presidential salute was formally established at 21 guns. In 1890, regulations designated the "national salute" as 21 guns and redesignated the traditional Independence Day salute, the "Salute to the Union," equal to the number of states. Fifty guns are also fired on all military installations equipped to do so at the close of the day of the funeral of a President, ex-President, or President-elect.

Today the national salute of 21 guns is fired in honor of a national flag, the sovereign or chief of state of a foreign nation, a member of a reigning royal family, and the President, ex-President and President-elect of the United States. It is also fired at noon of the day of the funeral of a President, ex-President, or President-elect.

Gun salutes are also rendered to other military and civilian leaders of this and other nations. The number of guns is based on their protocol rank. These salutes are always in odd numbers.

Source: Headquarters, Military District of Washington, FACT SHEET: GUN SALUTES, May 1969.


The "Three Volley Salute" (at military funerals)

The 3-volley salute is a ceremonial act performed at military and police funerals as part of the drill and ceremony of the Honor Guard. It consists of a rifle party firing blank cartridges into the air three times. The custom originates from the European dynastic wars, where the fighting ceased so the dead and wounded could be removed. Then, three shots were fired into the air to signal that the battle could resume. A rifle party usually has an odd number of members, from 3 to 7.

So, if the 21 Gun salute at the Veterans Day Ceremony that was cancelled was to be a salute to the flag, it would have been appropriate. But, in no way does a 21 Gun Salute duplicate the Three Volley Salute for our fallen.

JP171 wrote:why is it sad, veterans day isn't for anyone who has died in service to our country, its for the living and a 21 gun salute is inappropriate as Obama saying he's a us citizen, republican and person who doesn't believe in socialism. Those who have passed have and deserve the recognition of memorial day NOT veterans day period!

I was always taught that Veterans Day was to honor those who served, both living and dead. I always check the flags at family funeral plots.

JP171 wrote:why is it sad, veterans day isn't for anyone who has died in service to our country, its for the living and a 21 gun salute is inappropriate <snip> Those who have passed have and deserve the recognition of memorial day NOT veterans day period!

I believe you're wrong there, JP... Veteran's Day commemorates veterans, both living and dead (witness the traditional laying of wreaths at Arlington and other national cemeteries and at the various veteran's memorials and gardens around the country) while Memorial Day commemorates those who have died in the service of their country.

As a veteran, I'll gladly share "my" day with those who have passed, and don't begrudge them their own special day on Memorial Day as well. They deserve more!

JP171 wrote:why is it sad, veterans day isn't for anyone who has died in service to our country, its for the living and a 21 gun salute is inappropriate as Obama saying he's a us citizen, republican and person who doesn't believe in socialism. Those who have passed have and deserve the recognition of memorial day NOT veterans day period!

Im not sure just where youre coming from, but any effort to convey our nation's gratitude is very appropriate.

Veterans Day is a day for reverence, respect & gratitude for a special segment of our nation - veterans and their families. Too many gave the ultimate & too many bore unbearable & life altering sacrifices. It's an obscenity to deny these people whether they are living or dead.

Not appreciating that sometimes you have to make war in order to have peace hasn't occurred to these myopic bozos...

Oh please, oh please, don't remind us of that reality with, 'oh no' the machines of war that make peace possible.

G26ster wrote:

JP171 wrote:why is it sad, veterans day isn't for anyone who has died in service to our country, its for the living and a 21 gun salute is inappropriate as Obama saying he's a us citizen, republican and person who doesn't believe in socialism. Those who have passed have and deserve the recognition of memorial day NOT veterans day period!

The "Three Volley Salute" at military funerals is not a 21 Gun Salute. When by decree a 21 Gun Salute is rendered are:

In 1842, the Presidential salute was formally established at 21 guns. In 1890, regulations designated the "national salute" as 21 guns and redesignated the traditional Independence Day salute, the "Salute to the Union," equal to the number of states. Fifty guns are also fired on all military installations equipped to do so at the close of the day of the funeral of a President, ex-President, or President-elect.

Today the national salute of 21 guns is fired in honor of a national flag, the sovereign or chief of state of a foreign nation, a member of a reigning royal family, and the President, ex-President and President-elect of the United States. It is also fired at noon of the day of the funeral of a President, ex-President, or President-elect.

Gun salutes are also rendered to other military and civilian leaders of this and other nations. The number of guns is based on their protocol rank. These salutes are always in odd numbers.

Source: Headquarters, Military District of Washington, FACT SHEET: GUN SALUTES, May 1969.


The "Three Volley Salute" (at military funerals)

The 3-volley salute is a ceremonial act performed at military and police funerals as part of the drill and ceremony of the Honor Guard. It consists of a rifle party firing blank cartridges into the air three times. The custom originates from the European dynastic wars, where the fighting ceased so the dead and wounded could be removed. Then, three shots were fired into the air to signal that the battle could resume. A rifle party usually has an odd number of members, from 3 to 7.

So, if the 21 Gun salute at the Veterans Day Ceremony that was cancelled was to be a salute to the flag, it would have been appropriate. But, in no way does a 21 Gun Salute duplicate the Three Volley Salute for our fallen.

Seems like you're missing the point. The school didn't force them off campus because the salute was inappropriate and I highly doubt they'd have any idea when it is and is not customary or appropriate. They just didn't want any nasty old guns to be seen as something good or honorable by the students.

VMI77 wrote:

G26ster wrote:
So, if the 21 Gun salute at the Veterans Day Ceremony that was cancelled was to be a salute to the flag, it would have been appropriate. But, in no way does a 21 Gun Salute duplicate the Three Volley Salute for our fallen.

Seems like you're missing the point. The school didn't force them off campus because the salute was inappropriate and I highly doubt they'd have any idea when it is and is not customary or appropriate. They just didn't want any nasty old guns to be seen as something good or honorable by the students.

I don't think I missed your point. I was not responding to what the school did, I was responding to your statement that, "... a 21 gun salute is inappropriate..." My point was that as a salute to the flag, a 21 Gun Salute is appropriate, and should not be confused with the Three Volley Salute at military funerals, as many do. I don't agree with what the school did either.

Back in my day, the students themselves would have made it known - via phone calls to local radio stations, letters to the editors of the city and neighborhood papers, and maybe even an editorial in the school newspaper - that the actions of the school bureaucrats were reprehensible and unpatriotic.

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