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Interesting use of the yellow sash to identify good-guys with guns.

(And, I suspect, they don't issue tiaras to go with the sashes).

n5wd wrote:Interesting use of the yellow sash to identify good-guys with guns.

(And, I suspect, they don't issue tiaras to go with the sashes).

A teacher with a drawn gun in a school shooting situation while police are responding and making entries is at extremely high risk from both the bad guy and the good guys. There absolutely needs to be an agreed upon "good guy identifier" that's clearly visible from all directions to avoid a potential tragedy. A lot of law enforcement agencies have concluded that the sash approach, while imperfect, is the best option currently available.

I don't know of any that favor Tiaras, but I haven't checked with what San Francisco makes their officers use.

Excaliber wrote:

n5wd wrote:Interesting use of the yellow sash to identify good-guys with guns.

(And, I suspect, they don't issue tiaras to go with the sashes).

A teacher with a drawn gun in a school shooting situation while police are responding and making entries is at extremely high risk from both the bad guy and the good guys. There absolutely needs to be an agreed upon "good guy identifier" that's clearly visible from all directions to avoid a potential tragedy. A lot of law enforcement agencies have concluded that the sash approach, while imperfect, is the best option currently available.

I don't know of any that favor Tiaras, but I haven't checked with what San Francisco makes their officers use.

It worked for me back when I was in 5th and 6th grade and on the 'AAA School Boy Patrol'



NOTE: Photo is NOT from the years I was in school, it's from about 20 years earlier.

Keith B wrote:It worked for me back when I was in 5th and 6th grade and on the 'AAA School Boy Patrol'

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NOTE: Photo is NOT from the years I was in school, it's from about 20 years earlier.

That brings back memories. I was on the School Safety Patrol in Killeen, TX back in the 60's. Hard to imagine nowdays that the public and the school administration had no issues with 12/13 yo boys walking out in the street and holding up their hand to direct traffic to allow the other kids to cross busy streets, as well as enforce behavior, stop fights etc...among the other kids. Of course, we also walked the streets with our .22 rifles, traded boxes of .22LR for our gifts at the school Christmas parties back then too...and we never had a single problem related to any of it. My how times have changed in our "nanny world".

I read they are not going to identify who is carrying but I notice they are wearing little pouches for the sashes. Seems like a give away to me.

I don't see what the problem would be for all teachers that are willing to go through the training to be able to carry. Hopefully, this is just the first baby step in that direction. Then maybe all CHL's will be allow to.

mojo84 wrote:I read they are not going to identify who is carrying but I notice they are wearing little pouches for the sashes. Seems like a give away to me.

I don't see what the problem would be for all teachers that are willing to go through the training to be able to carry. Hopefully, this is just the first baby step in that direction. Then maybe all CHL's will be allow to.

In most small towns your school resource officer and any responding officer(s) will know who the teachers are that are carrying. Should not really be a problem.

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I read they are not going to identify who is carrying but I notice they are wearing little pouches for the sashes. Seems like a give away to me.

I don't see what the problem would be for all teachers that are willing to go through the training to be able to carry. Hopefully, this is just the first baby step in that direction. Then maybe all CHL's will be allow to.

In most small towns your school resource officer and any responding officer(s) will know who the teachers are that are carrying. Should not really be a problem.

Keith, I realize that. Wasn't thinking it was a problem. I was just noting the irony in that they said none of the other teachers or students will know who is carrying. Then I look at the video and see the people pulling their sashes out of a pouch on their belts.

Just an observation and not trying to create any controversy or debate.

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mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I read they are not going to identify who is carrying but I notice they are wearing little pouches for the sashes. Seems like a give away to me.

I don't see what the problem would be for all teachers that are willing to go through the training to be able to carry. Hopefully, this is just the first baby step in that direction. Then maybe all CHL's will be allow to.

In most small towns your school resource officer and any responding officer(s) will know who the teachers are that are carrying. Should not really be a problem.

Keith, I realize that. Wasn't thinking it was a problem. I was just noting the irony in that they said none of the other teachers or students will know who is carrying. Then I look at the video and see the people pulling their sashes out of a pouch on their belts.

Just an observation and not trying to create any controversy or debate.

Here's the article I had read. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... r-Marshals" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know you weren't. MO is my home state. It is 95% rural and even in the metro areas there are pockets of conservatives that may make the overall state about 98% pro-gun. Gun laws are pretty liberal. Many of your people are outdoorsmen and hunt and fish, or use guns as tools on their farms and ranches.

Bottom line, the schools that will be allowing carry by teachers are going to be those in small towns and the rural areas. Some of the larger school districts have skeet/trap teams, so guns are not perceived as evil by the administration of these locals. 99 times out of 100 the school board members and administration are hunters, are farmers, or were raised on a farm, so they will be all for it.

As for knowing who is and isn't carrying, you can bet the students will know really quick. I think even just having the pouch on will be a deterrent for anyone who has the slightest inkling to bring a gun in and start something. If the teachers don't get them, you can bet the kid that worked all the previous summer throwing hay bails and is as strong as an ox will take them out.

Knowing the area and people like you do, do you see this as a first step to more teachers and licensees being allowed to carry?

I'm hoping more and more of this will catch on and influence cultural changes elsewhere. I know our district administrators real well and they seem to be pretty resistant at this point to the idea of non-leos carrying in schools.

As long as untreated schizophrenics and other crazies can't be forced into mental institutions against their will - mass shootings will continue.

Were I a teacher I'd be armed or I wouldn't be a teacher - not in this time.

Back when mentally disturbed people could be kept from harming the public by being locked up, mass murder by them was quite low.

They need to try this in Chicago.

mojo84 wrote:Knowing the area and people like you do, do you see this as a first step to more teachers and licensees being allowed to carry?

I'm hoping more and more of this will catch on and influence cultural changes elsewhere. I know our district administrators real well and they seem to be pretty resistant at this point to the idea of non-leos carrying in schools.

I do. The metro areas (Kansas City and St. Louis) and some mid-sized cities may be a no-go, but I think the rural areas where they have no school resource officer or close police response capabilities will be very open to adopting the policy. Texas has had this capability for several years, but this is a newer one for Missouri.

One thing to note, the law has not passed yet. The bill is on the Governor's desk to sign. I am hoping it passes as it has other language that removes some other restrictions like preemption of licensed open carry and reducing the CHL age to 19. The Governor is pretty pro-gun even through he is a democrat. He's the one that helped push the CHL law through back when he was the Attorney General. Missouri has always been an open carry state, but concealed carry in Missouri is less than 10 years old (2005). Open carry can be prohibited by municipalities, but concealed carry cannot. I am looking to possibly move back there in the near future and the town we will likely move to currently restricts open carry of firearms. The biggest thing Missouri has going on concealed carry is that carrying into a prohibited location is NOT a crime unless you refuse to leave, then you can be cited for trespass. It's pretty nice to realize the worst you can have happen is be told to leave if you accidentally carry into a prohibited location.

Excaliber wrote:I don't know of any that favor Tiaras, but I haven't checked with what San Francisco makes their officers use.