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Honest question.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:40 pm
by VoiceofReason
This is an honest and serious question. Does Josh Sugarmann have some sort of cognitive disability? I ran across some of his quotes and absolutely do not understand a couple of them no matter how hard I try.

Quote- Josh Sugarmann (VPC):
"One tenet of the National Rifle Association's faith has always been that handgun controls do little to stop criminals from obtaining handguns. For once, the NRA is right and America's leading handgun control organization is wrong. Criminals don't buy guns in gun stores. That's why they're criminals. But it isn't criminals who are killing most of the 20,000 to 22,000 people who die from handguns each year. We are.". :confused5

Josh Sugarmann, "The NRA is Right: But We Still Need to Ban Handguns," :headscratch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Sugarmann" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could someone please explain to me what he means?

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:43 pm
by jmra
VoiceofReason wrote:This is an honest and serious question. Does Josh Sugarmann have some sort of cognitive disability? I ran across some of his quotes and absolutely do not understand a couple of them no matter how hard I try.

Quote- Josh Sugarmann (VPC):
"One tenet of the National Rifle Association's faith has always been that handgun controls do little to stop criminals from obtaining handguns. For once, the NRA is right and America's leading handgun control organization is wrong. Criminals don't buy guns in gun stores. That's why they're criminals. But it isn't criminals who are killing most of the 20,000 to 22,000 people who die from handguns each year. We are.". :confused5

Josh Sugarmann, "The NRA is Right: But We Still Need to Ban Handguns," :headscratch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Sugarmann" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could someone please explain to me what he means?
He doesn't know what he means, how are we supposed to know?

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:44 pm
by SC1903A3
Simple answer, he is what I refer to is an I D TEN T.

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:49 pm
by MoJo
:iagree:

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:00 pm
by sjfcontrol
Uhhhhh, sounds to me like the VPC is killing most of the 20-22k people....
Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
:cheers2:

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:04 pm
by nightmare
sjfcontrol wrote:Uhhhhh, sounds to me like the VPC is killing most of the 20-22k people....
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Re: Honest question.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:14 pm
by Middle Age Russ
Mr. Sugarman seems affected by something called cognitive dissonance, and is a malady many are afflicted with these days. Essentially all reason is short-circuited by knowing the answer before fact-finding and using them along with reasoning to arrive at the answer. How does one start with the answer, one might ask? Simply pay attention to main-stream media and the answer will become readily apparent to you after a while.

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:41 am
by SkipB
jmra wrote:
VoiceofReason wrote:This is an honest and serious question. Does Josh Sugarmann have some sort of cognitive disability? I ran across some of his quotes and absolutely do not understand a couple of them no matter how hard I try.

Quote- Josh Sugarmann (VPC):
"One tenet of the National Rifle Association's faith has always been that handgun controls do little to stop criminals from obtaining handguns. For once, the NRA is right and America's leading handgun control organization is wrong. Criminals don't buy guns in gun stores. That's why they're criminals. But it isn't criminals who are killing most of the 20,000 to 22,000 people who die from handguns each year. We are.". :confused5

Josh Sugarmann, "The NRA is Right: But We Still Need to Ban Handguns," :headscratch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Sugarmann" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could someone please explain to me what he means?
He doesn't know what he means, how are we supposed to know?
:hurry: I have to agree :lol:

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:49 am
by Jumping Frog
VoiceofReason wrote:
Josh Sugarmann (VPC) wrote:"...But it isn't criminals who are killing most of the 20,000 to 22,000 people who die from handguns each year. We are.". :confused5
Could someone please explain to me what he means?
When one starts with the premise that anything issuing from his mouth is twisted and distorted, this particular half-truth is easy to decode.

Most firearm deaths in this country are suicides.

He is classifying those deaths as not being committed by criminals, thus "we" (meaning non-criminals) are responsible for the killings. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Of course, I'll point out that suicide is a crime, and thus classify those people as "criminals".

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:56 am
by jmra
I don't know who "we" is/are, but I haven't killed anyone with anything nor have any of my guns.

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:03 am
by rbwhatever1
So there I was trudging through life blissfully, never having heard the name "Josh Sugarmann"....

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:16 am
by C-dub
rbwhatever1 wrote:So there I was trudging through life blissfully, never having heard the name "Josh Sugarmann"....
Same here and I have so far successfully resisted the urge to look him up.

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 7:51 am
by chasfm11
C-dub wrote:
rbwhatever1 wrote:So there I was trudging through life blissfully, never having heard the name "Josh Sugarmann"....
Same here and I have so far successfully resisted the urge to look him up.
I just had to look him up. In Wikipedia, it says that
Sugarmann has been credited with popularizing the term "assault weapon".
He was apparently one of several who tried to capitalize on the Columbine disaster to push their gun control agenda. His VPC seems to have been pretty irrelevant since 2000. Ironically, he came from Newtown, CT.

Re: Honest question.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 8:17 am
by jimlongley
I would love to know who the author of the wikipedia piece is, it sends a mixed message, but taken as a whole it seems to portray Sugarman in a negative light.

If I remember correctly (it was a few years ago) the quote referred to had to do with the inflated number of "children" who die of gunshot wounds every year. He placed most of those deaths outside criminal activity, even including gangbangers killing other gangbangers as long as they were in the 0 to 21 years age range he used to identify children.