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Eventually I hope the OC groups changes it tactics or (the rights that others like Mr. Cotton have fought for) we will be pushed back ten years real quick. 
nightmare wrote:Blaming this on pro gun activists is like blaming rape victims for dressing "too sexy" and provoking the attack.
Disagree. In this example there is something wrong with both parties.nightmare wrote:Blaming this on pro gun activists is like blaming rape victims for dressing "too sexy" and provoking the attack.
It's not a matter of placing blame on pro gun activist. It's a matter in which they present themselves. It is my understanding that they went into this meeting with the black powder type weapons strapped on. Hello!?!?!? What reaction did they expect? There are some folks that are just not as savvy as the rest of us. They (the city council) don't know a black powder weapon from a real modern day hand cannon.nightmare wrote:Blaming this on pro gun activists is like blaming rape victims for dressing "too sexy" and provoking the attack.
gigag04 wrote:Disagree. In this example there is something wrong with both parties.nightmare wrote:Blaming this on pro gun activists is like blaming rape victims for dressing "too sexy" and provoking the attack.
The OC groups has bad tactics period!tomtexan wrote:It's not a matter of placing blame on pro gun activist. It's a matter in which they present themselves. It is my understanding that they went into this meeting with the black powder type weapons strapped on. Hello!?!?!? What reaction did they expect? There are some folks that are just not as savvy as the rest of us. They (the city council) don't know a black powder weapon from a real modern day hand cannon.nightmare wrote:Blaming this on pro gun activists is like blaming rape victims for dressing "too sexy" and provoking the attack.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm just as pro gun as the next guy. But the presentation is all wrong!
Very wrong and too stubborn to see the wake of disaster they leave behind.It simply highlights to me that carrying long guns in public isn't legal in a practical sense. Banning them just makes things a little less confusing. It just don't understand how people feel that long guns in public isn't OK, but they don't want to formalize that position... It's an odd spot to be in.nightmare69 wrote:I personally believe they are doing it because they can and could careless what the public or anyone else thinks. They are delusional if they think this is going to shed a positive light on open carry and make it legal in Texas.
Government buildings aren't subject to 30.06 postings unless there is a courthouse, court office, or jail with inmates. Government meetings can be made off-limits to CHL by the posting of 30.06. This is the only valid instance of posting a 30.06 on a government building. So it isn't a law that doesn't allow council meetings, it's the posting of 30.06 that would dis-allow CHL at council meetings.philip964 wrote:It is my understanding, that at the City of Houston offices, although I must go through a metal detector, just like an airport screening, I may legally conceal carry everywhere, except at a city council meeting or planning commission meeting. I assumed this was some kind of Texas law allowing CC at the city offices and not allowing at the council meetings.
Am I mistaken?
TBMWrong. The 'in your face' tactics being pushed by these OC activists are alienating those that might have been on their side at one time. What purpose does it server to wear a black powder weapon to the council meeting? Just because you CAN do something legally does not mean it is the RIGHT thing to do. These people need to learn how to win friends and influence people. It's old school but very applicable when you are trying to make gains in any political arena.getsome wrote:nightmare wrote:Blaming this on pro gun activists is like blaming rape victims for dressing "too sexy" and provoking the attack.
NopeMeMelYup wrote:Isn't that a violation of Texas pre-emption law?
The only thing they can't do is make a code that prohibits a CHL from carrying. However, they can already do that per state statutes by posting a 30.06 sign. And, the non-firearm replica or black powder pistol can be banned as it is not considered a firearm.Texas Statutes - Section 229.001: FIREARMS; EXPLOSIVES
(a) A municipality may not adopt regulations relating to the transfer, private ownership, keeping, transportation, licensing, or registration of firearms, ammunition, or firearm supplies.
(b) Subsection (a) does not affect the authority a municipality has under another law to:
(1) require residents or public employees to be armed for personal or national defense, law enforcement, or another lawful purpose;
(2) regulate the discharge of firearms within the limits of the municipality;
(3) regulate the use of property, the location of a business, or uses at a business under the municipality's fire code, zoning ordinance, or land-use regulations as long as the code, ordinance, or regulations are not used to circumvent the intent of Subsection (a) or Subdivision (5) of this subsection;
(4) regulate the use of firearms in the case of an insurrection, riot, or natural disaster if the municipality finds the regulations necessary to protect public health and safety;
(5) regulate the storage or transportation of explosives to protect public health and safety, except that 25 pounds or less of black powder for each private residence and 50 pounds or less of black powder for each retail dealer are not subject to regulation; or
(6) regulate the carrying of a firearm by a person other than a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, at a:
(A) public park;
(B) public meeting of a municipality, county, or other governmental body;
(C) political rally, parade, or official political meeting; or
(D) nonfirearms-related school, college, or professional athletic event.
(c) The exception provided by Subsection (b)(6) does not apply if the firearm is in or is carried to or from an area designated for use in a lawful hunting, fishing, or other sporting event and the firearm is of the type commonly used in the activity.
(d) The exception provided by Subsection (b)(4) does not authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from an individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition.
Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 149, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987. Amended by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 229, Sec. 7, eff. Sept. 1, 1995; Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.07, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Renumbered from Sec. 215.001 by Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1420, Sec. 12.002(10), eff. Sept. 1, 2001.