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H.R. 2959
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:13 pm
by RogueUSMC
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http://www.nraila.org/legislation/feder ... undup.aspxOn August 1, 2013, U.S. Reps. Rich Nugent (R-Fla.) and Jim Matheson (D- Utah), introduced H.R. 2959, The National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act. This NRA-backed legislation would allow any person with a valid concealed carry permit to carry a concealed firearm in any other state that issues concealed firearm permits or does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms. A state's laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would still apply to all within its borders. Similar legislation to H.R. 2959 passed the U.S. House of Representatives in the 112th Congress by an overwhelming bipartisan vote of 272-154.
I am kinda of two minds on this one...I like the concept but I see it as more infringement on states rights...what say y'all?
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:16 pm
by steveincowtown
Bad bill, and I have no idea why the NRA is involved in it.
- the unintended consequence of this bill would be any states that are may issue, or that have CHL programs that are expensive or difficult will quickly become "no issue." I can't picture a state like Maryland keeping any form of permits if they all of the sudden have to honor permits from their much more gun friendly neighbor, Virginia. You would see this repeated throughout the country.
- don't need the Feds eroding states rights any further.
Next donation to the NRAILA will include a note asking them to use their resources a little better.
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:05 pm
by texanjoker
I'm for a national bill. It took one for LEO's to be able to carry in all 50 states. Otherwise many states prohibited carry. If it is ran similar to a driver's license it makes sense. I can see a minimum standard being set which could be good or bad, depending on the state.
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:26 pm
by treeman
I too am concerned with getting the Feds involved in coordinating concealed carry among states. First they will set some minimum guidelines then what. Possibly the current state reciprocy has problems, but I don't think getting the Feds involved will fix anything in the long run.
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:45 am
by GlockDude26
Yeah look at how good they're running the country, I'd say they've done more than enough....
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:48 am
by G.A. Heath
First off, this bill will never get signed into law by the current administration so I don't see why we would waste time on pushing it too hard.
Secondly, States rights, this bill more than likely would pass muster under the full faith and credit clause so no issue there.
Thirdly, I don't see minimum standards in this bill but maybe we need to get them inserted in to it or added on later. Minimum standards should consist of two items: all states will be shall issue and one must be legal to own in order to carry. beyond that any other minimum standard should be fought against tooth and nail.
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:30 am
by Boxerrider
The federal government should not create more firearm-related laws, they should declare the state restrictions unconstitutional.
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:45 am
by Dave2
steveincowtown wrote:Bad bill, and I have no idea why the NRA is involved in it.
- the unintended consequence of this bill would be any states that are may issue, or that have CHL programs that are expensive or difficult will quickly become "no issue." I can't picture a state like Maryland keeping any form of permits if they all of the sudden have to honor permits from their much more gun friendly neighbor, Virginia. You would see this repeated throughout the country.
- don't need the Feds eroding states rights any further.
Next donation to the NRAILA will include a note asking them to use their resources a little better.
Didn't the SCOTUS rule that no-issue was a no-go recently? Or did that just apply to Illinois?
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:28 am
by TexasGal
Comparing this law to the driver's license reciprocity between states is an apples to oranges problem. The Federal Government and the rabidly liberal haters have no problem with most American's owning and driving cars. There is no motivation for that law to be used nefariously. Same with the law allowing LEO's to carry. Liberals don't perceive armed LEO's the same way as armed citizens. If this law can be used in any way to subvert our freedoms, it will be.
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:59 am
by mr surveyor
^^^yep^^^
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:20 am
by MeMelYup
Just look at the Liberal gun laws in DC.
Re: H.R. 2959
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:53 pm
by Dragonfighter
Ronald Reagan said the most fearful eight words in the English language is, "I'm from the government, I'm here to help."